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Why is Apple jumping into Lala land?

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Erica Ogg

TEXT OF INTERVIEW

Kai Ryssdal: It's not quite rocket science, but there is news from the junction of music and digital technology today. Apple announced it's buying a company called Lala.com. Lala is a music content provider. It's been around for about four years. And it can do some things that Apple and iTunes can't. Erica Ogg covers Apple for CNET.com. Erica, good to have you with us.

ERICA OGG: Sure. Thanks for having me.

Ryssdal: For the uninitiated amongst us, which I have to say until about 8 o'clock this morning included me. What is Lala?

OGG: Lala.com is a service where people can listen to music over the Web, as opposed to buying music and then downloading it to their computer.

Ryssdal: So it's streaming music, right?

OGG: Exactly, streaming music.

Ryssdal: What makes this attractive to Apple then?

OGG: Well, you know, we don't know. They haven't explained their plans to us. But there's a number of situations here. A lot of companies are turning toward streaming music over the Web, versus the download model, which is what Apple's iTunes is. And there's been sort of a rash of these companies getting picked up by competitors to iTunes. There's companies like iLike and imeem, which were picked up by MySpace earlier, which also has a big music effort. So this could be Apple maybe staking some room out for the future, in case they want to do this, or they could have specific plans in mind.

Ryssdal: Could those plans include you know other things like social connection and social media aspects to it? I mean, what else does Lala do that Apple doesn't right now with iTunes?

OGG: I think more people are getting used to the idea of streaming their music over the Web. Basically that means you don't have to own the music files. And so if you don't have to host the music on your own computer, it's going to be a lot more attractive to people that maybe don't have their iPod with them, or they don't have their home laptop with them, where the music is that they own, so they want to be able to listen to music anywhere.

Ryssdal: For all we don't know about Apple, and they are a secretive bunch, what do we know about what they're doing?

OGG: Well, we do know that they are building this huge data center in North Carolina. I think the price is somewhere $1 billion. So looking at this Lala acquisition, and looking at this server farm that they have, there is the idea that they could be planning to use that to store music, what's otherwise known as putting stuff in the cloud, then letting people access their music via the Web. We don't know that that's what they're doing. But when you put the two and two together, it seems like it could be possible.

Ryssdal: Play this out for me how it might change the way we listen to music. I mean obviously, Apple and iTunes have done a huge amount of that work already, changing how it's distributed and how we enjoy it. What might this do in the next three to five years?

OGG: Well, I think it comes down to the idea of whether you own music or not. You know, Apple's gotten us used to the idea of paying for something. We buy a song, and we put on our computer, and then maybe transfer it to a mp3 player. By streaming, you don't necessarily own it, and it's more like a subscription service. So there's been a lot of talk about Apple's entire iTunes store proposition, about whether they're thinking of doing the same thing, a subscription service for TV shows. They could also offer the same thing for music.

Ryssdal: Does that ring true for you, this idea of not owning this thing that you enjoy somehow?

OGG: I think we're getting used to it, especially with ideas like Hulu or Netflix where you can pay for access, and you can just watch movies whenever you want, but you don't necessarily own them like a DVD. I think people are getting more used to that idea.

Ryssdal: Erica Ogg at CNET. Erica, thanks a lot.

OGG: Thank you.

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Lonce SB - Dec 9, 2009

I don't quite understand why Lala is so different then Rhapsody (and maybe Zune). For a small monthly fee I can stream pretty much any music I could ever want. Can even temporarily download it to an MP3 player if I want. This has been around for a while

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Ted Pavlic - Dec 8, 2009

As a few comments have already mentioned, one of the things that makes LaLa different from other services is that it allows (with no charge) a user to upload ALL un-DRM music that is already present on their hard drives (compare this to iMeem which only allows 100 uploaded songs before having to pay for a subscription). LaLa is interesting because it not only allows you to listen to your own music from anywhere (including cell phones with Adobe Flash support), but it integrates your music listening with other social features. Plus, you can expand both your on-line library with purchases at one price level and your downloaded library with purchases at a higher price level.

A severe miss in the story was that Google has recently integrated itself with LaLa. Music searches at Google.com allow you to play music directly from the search page via LaLa.com. It is possible that Apple's acquisition of LaLa is a shot at breaking it up from Google. When Google first connected with LaLa, people speculated that they were taking a shot at the iTunes Store. Maybe this Apple move is the counter strike.

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David Spalding - Dec 8, 2009

Apple's playing catch-up, plain and simple. My XM radio receiver by Pioneer, the Inno, has 1 GB of memory, half or all of which can be used to cache songs and programs on for later listening. Half the memory can be used as a conventional media player, for music, podcasts, audio books. The device caused the RIAA to throw a litigious hissy fit, claiming the XM recording feature treated songs as "downloads," but IIRC XM settled with them quietly in the back room.

The device also lets me bookmark artists or songs that I want to be alerted to again.

Basically, it's radio listening, evolved. Why mention it? I listen to 9 out of 10 NPR programs (Marketplace included), podcasted or cached, on the device while driving or at home. Sorry, Apple, I *still* don't need an iPod.

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jj levine - Dec 8, 2009

Spotify -- available in Europe for years but not in the US -- allows users to listen to any music they want in exchange for a monthly fee. They tried to put a free IPHONE APP but Apple apparently said no, know we know why...
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/22013/

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Tom - - Dec 7, 2009

"We don't know that that's what they're doing." Priceless. Pretty much summed up this whole report. I noticed the conspicuous absence of Microsoft's well-established Zune Pass service as a comparison. For 15 bucks a month I get unlimited songs for my Zune and laptop, plus I get 10 song credits. What is the obsession over guessing what Apple may or may not do next? Oh and by the way, I listened to this program on my Zune's built-in FM Tuner.

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Lala Explainer - Dec 7, 2009

I can't believe you took up a portion of your show to have two people talking about a product they didn't understand. Aren't you supposed to be informing your listeners? Here's what Kai and Erica missed: When you subscribe to Lala, it checks the music files on your computer. If it has those recordings in its database of 8 million songs, it gives you free access to them so you can stream them through a browser, wherever you are. If it doesn't have them, it automatically uploads your files and stores them so you can listen anywhere. You can also "buy" a song from Lala for just 10 cents that, again, allows you to stream it. If you want to download it to put on your iPod, it's 89 cents. Lala also syncs up with Facebook so people can listen to your music or keep up on what you're listening to. So what Lala is providing -- and the smart folks at Apple are buying -- is a tool that allows maximum flexibility and availability to listen to music wherever, whenever, and with whomever you choose. Music on demand at its utmost. Get it?