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Economy gives some dads a bad rap

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Stacey Vanek-Smith: It seems like the recession and the unemployment rate are hitting every aspect of life these days. Divorce is no exception. As more parents feel a loss of income, many are asking family courts to adjust child support payments. The bad economy is also pushing some parents into payment delinquency, contributing to the problem of deadbeat dads.

From Boston, Monica Brady-Myerov reports.


Monica Brady-Myerov: When someone loses a job, the bills don't stop coming. Mortgage, car payments, health insurance and for some, child support. But Ned Holstein, president of Fathers and Families, a group that presents dads, says there's a big difference.

Ned Holstein: Everybody is struggling. But someone who has a child support order is the only person who's going to be put in jail, because they can't pay their debts.

That's why more parents who've lost their jobs are asking the courts to lower their child support payments. That's what's happening to Jim Feeney. He's a divorced father of four who lives on Cape Cod. Before he lost his job in January, he made about $85,000 a year. He's required to may $3,200 a month in child support and alimony. When he was laid off, he immediately asked the court if he could pay less.

Jim Feeney: First, I filed for unemployment, I filed for welfare, food stamps, because I had no income. I had no savings.

Feeney spoke about his case at a restaurant after his hearing, which he had to wait two and a half months for. The judge denied his request to lower his payments and after six months after not meeting them, Feeney was put in jail. After two days behind bars, he paid a $5,000 fine and was released. But his stint in jail didn't lower his child support obligations and the fines he's racking up because he's not paying.

Feeney: There's penalties to the state, there's penalties that go to my ex-wife, there's interest to the state, there's interest that goes to my ex-wife.

Feeney's former wife refused to comment for this story. But another ex-wife of another man who just lost his job does have something to say. She's Julie Baker, she's the primary care giver to two children, ages five and nine. Her ex was recently laid off.

Julie Baker: The first thing he said was, "I'll try to keep up the child support."

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Baker said her former husband has been a supportive dad who's always paid on time. But if the tables were turned:

Baker: If I lost my job, I can't say to the kids, "You know what? You can't have lunch today. You know what? I'm sorry that your shoes are too small."

And more out-of-work parents want to change their child support agreements. But just asking the court to lower your payments, because you lost your job, isn't always enough.

Divorce attorney B.J. Krintzman says the courts are slow moving.

B.J. Krintzman: They're not going to get very far if they go in that week and say, "I lost my job, so I can no longer pay." Usually there has to be some kind of period of time that's gone by, so the obligor has to show attempts to get a job.

Some judges are sympathetic and lower payments right away, because they know it's unlikely someone will get a new job quickly. But typically it takes six months for a judge to make a decision.

Holstein: And during those couple of months, you can be going broke in a hurry.

Ned Holstein of Fathers and Families.

Holstein: Then when you get the hearing, typically, the family court judges will not give you relief at the first hearing. They say, "Well, how do we know this is going to be long standing? You might get a job next week. Also, you've got some assets, you can pay it out of your assets. And so, I'll see you again in three more months."

But it's putting fathers who mean well and love their kids in jail, because they can't pay.

Krintzman: And this is not daddy jail; this is real jail.

But divorce attorney B.J. Krintzman says what ends up happening is dads borrow money from family and friends.

Krintzman: Usually it is very rare that someone stays in jail for 30 days. So they do find ways to find the money and pay up the back child support and get themselves out of jail.

And when they do get out of jail, they'll owe even more, because child support obligations don't stop while someone is behind bars.

In Boston, I'm Monica Brady-Myerov for Marketplace Money.

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Coreycat's picture
Coreycat - Jan 23, 2012

Your ASSUMING that ALL men(or NCP's) actually WANT to be a Father( or Parent) to their Child(ren)! Some don't want to be bothered! Some don't even see their children( of their own free choice) So is it ok for them to just NOT do anything? NCP's can choose NOT to exercise their rights to visitation and there is NOTHING that can be done! What about THOSE kinds of NCP's? What should happen with them? I am curious?

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Nunya36 - Jan 24, 2012

Perhaps you should check with a person before throwing a baby at him! Why do YOU get to decide if HE has a baby!!!??? Isn't the whole argument for abortion "better no baby than an unwanted baby"??? Why the hell would you force a child on someone who doesn't want one??? Oh wait...I KNOW WHY!!!! ...MONEY!

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Coreycat - Jan 25, 2012

WHAT the hell are you talking about? Your just heaping everything in to one pile and your making statements that are so vague it would be impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you about it. EVERYONE'S circumstances are different! Personally, I wouldn't FORCE a child on a man, HOWEVER IF the man is part of the PLAN to have a child, Consents, is excited about that child..etc .WELL than that is a COMMITEMENT to the child for LIFE! Honestly, I don't care if being a parent is no longer CONVENIENT for you OR that you no LONGER want to parent because it is eating into your PLAYA time! If your talking the talk..you better be prepared to WALK THE WALK! If you CAN"T...then I ONLY have one thing to say to you.....CALL DOCTOR SNIP SNIP QUICK!!! Then you won't EVER have to be bothered by this ridiculously, stupid and inconvenient thing called YOUR CHILD!!!! IT won't cost you a thing either( well probably just the co-pay)

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lavington - Jan 13, 2012

And all you men out there if you would all band together and demand male birth control you might get
Them to make some. Also band together and and demand new laws protecting your rights as fathers.
You should start by demanding that wemon can't ask for back child support for the time befor
You are ordered by the courts to pay. After all if see really needed the money she would not have waited
Years to take you to court . Unless she is a real bad mom and made her poor kids suffer
With out for all them years just because she did not have time to go to court.
Its not for the kids she wants back support its for her !!!!!!!

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lavington - Jan 13, 2012

And I have a daughter now also I have been married for 21 years , I had only 1 more child because thats all i could afford on my own ? And if my daughter ever has kids and runs her ex though the ringer I would be very disappointed in her. But then I have raised my children to be loveing adults and to take responsibility for their choices.

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lavington - Jan 13, 2012

We need to take some responability for our selfs here.
I dropped out of school at 15 and had my son who is now 28 years old. I cant spell , I suck at grammer
And so on but I DO HAVE COMMON SENCE!!
I have never got a penny in child support I have never been on walfare. I did get food stamps for
2 years when he was little . I was single till he was 8 years old.
I got my own apartment at 17 when my mom moved out of the state leaving me to figure it out
On my own. I worked full time makeing min. Wage and lived in a shi@ hole but we made it just
Fine. I breast fed and used cloth diapers saved a ton. It did not cost no extra 300 pr 400 dollars
A mo. To take care of a baby . Yes it takes 2 to make a baby but we all have choices if you can't
Support a baby by your self then dont have one for us the make this thing called the PILL for men
They dont but should .
Even if your married and life is going good STOP having kids you can't support on your own !!
Who says your husband will not die in a year and leave you to support the kids ?
We should think about the kids befor we have them. The courts are not looking out
For kids they are only making is easy for us women to get money from men with q out working
For it. Wemon are 99% in charge of when or if they have kids so stop having them if you can't
Take care of them. I am not saying dads should not support their kids but stop blaiming them
For not being able to pay 300 or more a mo. When you know damn well its not costing
You that to support that kid. DADs is cheeper to stay married to her then to leave her so stay
Married till the kids or raised and you also need to take charge of how many kids you have
Get fixed !!!! Don't ok it with her just do it or you will pay later !!!!!!
And if some one with as poor speeling and grammer as me can find a 35,000 year job
Then so can you !!!

P.s. I know a lot of dads that would love to have their kids full time so if you
Can't afford them then do whats best for the kids and give them to their Dads.

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fyissed - Jan 11, 2012

It's not fair to the man, but he has a responsibly, obviously he was allowed to make his payments by himself, not taken out of his paychecks, 85,000 a year? Four kids, something is going on. I am a young mother and came to the point to put my child's father on child support. In order to get help through the state you must comply. But, he hasn't done much for are child, he gave money here and there, which I was grateful, but I couldn't trust his word. It takes two people to make a baby, and it takes money to raise the child, so it is what it is. In a fathers case, the court goes by off what he makes, if he makes a lot, and the mother nothing, of course the child support will be higher, especially in Florida. But, if the father can get a good lawyer, things can be different, custody comes into place, which can affect child support. Its a sliding scale. I should of got 400 dollars a month plus 2000 back child support but didn't take it. Being he had given me money and helped me through a drastic problem, I considered us even. I agreed on 300 dollars a month. That doesn't even pay the price of daycare a month. I make decent money, but it just isn't enough sometimes.

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Lady - Jan 7, 2012

I think the court system about Child Support should be changed. If a man loose his job the court should go and adjust his case accordingly. We have too many women out here thinking it's okay to sit around and wait for a check from the father and not get a job to support their own kids. Ladies the money is for the well-being of your kids not you. Parenting should be a shared concept. If you would get out and get a job when that man can't afford to pay child support you won't be under a lot of stress. One thing I think women are forgetting is that your bills are your bills and the man shouldn't be held responsible for them. Everybody is being effected by the recession.

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Coreycat - Jan 16, 2012

I agree that parenting should be a shared concept, but what happens when the NON-CUSTODIAL parent doesn't GET that concept? What should happen when the Custodial parent DOES work full time and ALSO has the child 100% of the time? Recession or no recession does it make it OK to just ignore your responsibilities? The system IS flawed, but for all the DADS getting hammered by the system, there are JUST AS MANY hard working Moms who are getting a raw deal and so one seems to Care.

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Nunya36 - Jan 17, 2012

As you would say to an NCP..."consequences!!!"

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