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Financial infidelity

Buried in debt

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Tess Vigeland: Ever think it might just be easier to keep something from your spouse? It would be if you were living in magic no-one-ever-finds-out land.

We found some credit counselors who are reporting that in the last few months they've noticed an uptick in calls from one half of a couple. The caller asks the counselor to send all the forms to, say, their mom's house or their personal email account.

Counselors call it financial infidelity and it's about a lot more than money.

Ashley Milne-Tyte has our story.


Ashley Milne-Tyte: Michael McAuliffe has been a credit counselor for 15 years, but even he was shocked recently when one of his staff spoke to a man who'd racked up $300,000 in credit card debt which he hadn't mentioned to his wife.

McAuliffe is president of Chicago-based Family Credit Management. He says the guy was a salesman.

Michael McAuliffe: And he kept thinking that big sale was going to come, going to come, going to come and, you know, he didn't want to adjust his standard of living. He doesn't need to tell his spouse about it because he's just waiting on that big sale. But now he can't get any more credit cards to use.

McAuliffe says the counselor tried to persuade the man to come clean, but the caller was adamant. He was afraid his wife would balk at the idea of curbing her lifestyle, never mind her reaction to the prospect of filing for bankruptcy.

McAuliffe says his staff usually gets two or three calls a month from people hiding their debt from their other half. Now, he says, with the economy in a downturn and people's credit maxed out, there's a call like this every day. But why the secrecy?

Mary Hunt: I can answer that so clearly. It's fear of rejection.

Mary Hunt knows all about the fear of rejection. These days she's an author who runs the website debtproofliving.com, but as a young married woman in the 1970s, she was determined to live the high life regardless of her husband's pleas for frugality. She opened multiple credit card accounts and piled up debt, much of it on the sly.

Hunt: I had a secret post office box where I would get bills that would come to make sure that he didn't see them because it was just easier for me to deceive him, to keep what I thought was harmony in our marriage.

She says she was terrified he'd leave her if he discovered how lavish her spending had become.

But it's not always fear of a break-up that drives over-spenders to keep their activities under wraps. Alan has been a member of Debtors Anonymous for 14 years. He says for men like him, familiar old attitudes can play a role.

Alan: The thing about it is it's an ego thing. For some reason, men feel that if they tell someone that they can't handle their money or they're in way out over their heads, they think that someone's going to look down at them and shame them because, "What are you an idiot? You can't handle your money?"

Alan says buying the latest gadgets for himself and the cutest clothes for his kids made him feel good... even if he couldn't afford it. In the early 90s, his widowed father moved in with him and his wife. Alan forged his dad's signature to open a credit card in his name. The card arrived and the spree began.

One day, his wife unearthed one of the bills. She asked how his stroke-stricken father could have spent $5,000 on all this stuff.

Alan: I said "I don't know... I have no idea." I just denied it point blank.

But his wife was persistent. Finally, he admitted the truth. He joined Debtors Anonymous that very day. Recently, he celebrated his 25th wedding anniversary.

Occasionally, financial infidelity plays out in unexpected ways. Eve Pidgeon now heads communications for credit counseling firm Greenpath Incorporated. She's a saver. Her ex-husband was a spender who loved credit cards. He used to walk around with his pockets stuffed with $20 bills.

Eve Pidgeon: My financial infidelity was waiting until he was asleep, stealing the money out of his pockets, putting it back in the bank and back on the cards immediately so we were never deep in debt.

Her intentions were good. Still, debt experts say honesty is usually the best policy. Mary Hunt of debtproofliving.com says for people hiding debt from a spouse, there's a right time to come clean.

Hunt: Don't even think of doing this until you are come to the place where you have 100 percent genuine remorse. No excuses. Nothing other than "I am so sorry and here's my plan." You've got to have a plan for what you are going to do to change this.

Whether it's credit counseling, she says, or getting a second job -- or a first job, as in her case. Hunt says when she finally revealed the extent of their debt to her husband, he didn't walk out. He told her they'd pay it off together. She says they finally began talking about their different attitudes to money and talking about that made them open up about a lot of other things.

38 years after first hitting the credit cards, she says their relationship is stronger and more rewarding than she'd ever thought possible.

I'm Ashley Milne-Tyte for Marketplace Money.

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risa tanania - Dec 10, 2010

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econo biker - Nov 3, 2008

Cathy wrote: “My opinion is this kind of betrayal isn’t unlike adultery. It’s possible to work through it and have a happy ending, but you have an uphill battle that cannot be solved unless both parties are FULLY committed to it. If the betrayer is fully committed to changing their wrongdoing and the betrayed is fully committed to forgiving, then there is hope. Everyone’s circumstances are going to be different, but those two things are key.”

The term is “financial infidelity” which is what happened to me in my first marriage. My college educated/degree now ex-wife had a MLM business that wasn’t working and she was leveraging bills through credit cards without telling me. Hidden credit cards, past due phone accounts, potential car repos, going behind my back to get a loan from her parents to attend a sales event, stealing the tax return check to get the past due car loan up to date, owing money to a friend, purchasing new contact lenses versus using the vision plan I had from my job, etc. Every issue was always a “small finacial mistake” in her words- “nothing to get worked up about- everyone makes them.”

She was always after the “big sale” versus working diligently to make money. I had to threaten her with divorce for her to get even a temp job. Funny thing was that the first temp placement she had was at a bank call center calling people who had just missed their first auto loan payment!!!

I threatened to kick her out a second time when I found yet another hidden credit card with $1300 on it. The time when we should have been DINKs- double income no kids- we were OINKs- one income no kids- because her employment was going to pay off credit bills only.

She always wanted to live beyond our means. I wrangled the new SUV for her in late 2001, I wrangled the 80% loan /20%ARM for a home for us, I wrangled the refinance to get out of the 20% ARM, but it was never enough.

The pressure built over the years even after we had paid off the debt she incurred. I nearly went crazy over time. I was misdiagnosed as being depressed and perscribed anti-depressants. The meds assisted me to commit physical adultrey when I had been faithful for over 8 years even when all the credit debt craziness was going on. The only reason I tell you this is that when I was in the “exit phase” of the marriage, the ex-wife went and bought $8,000 to $11,000 worth of brand new furniture for what would become “her house” (no equity of course due to the two financings within three years). She said she got the new furniture because I had kept her “down” financialy and had us using old hand-me-down furniture gifts from various family members. While that new furniture was solely her debt, it was the marriage’s final indication that she had no concept of financial management. Neither of us had that type of money nor did her parents pay for it.

Even after the divorce, she is all about the money and lack of foresite. We had two children together. I am happy to pay the child support but when I was laid off and looking for new work, she sued me for almost a full years amount of child support. This was even though she had garnished my meggar temp job wages and I was paying support when I fixed up and sold old cars. The court granted her a sum under $100 (yes one hundred as in between 99 and 101) in back support and required us to each pay our own lawyer fees.

I live under my means. I have a new spouse (unrelated to the prior marriage adultrey) who has the same financial values as I do. I am currently planning that I will have to pay my childrens entire college even though my ex and I are supposed to pay 50% each as I figure my ex will be bankrupt by that time.

It is “financial infidelity”. I almost could have dealt with it easier if the ex-wife had gotten a boyfriend behind my back. I would have just kicked her out and been done with it rather than try to be the “good husband” and kept the coupleship together by fighting her and the debt…

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4 Shiggles - Aug 29, 2008

Hi-

Barring all cases of bipolar psychological disorders or extreme domestic abuse, HIDING DEBT from your spouse is in the SAME category as CHEATING! It is a deception, a breach of trust on the same scale. No, your spouse does not run the risk of bringing home cooties, or getting some bimbo knocked-up as in the case of an adulterous affair. However, your spouse will most likely bring home hardship, disgrace, instability, struggle, distrust, great expense, and the ringing of bill collectors all day and all night. Oh yeah, and don’t forget all of the missed opportunities that go by while your working two jobs to pay back credit card companies at 29% interest. Worth it? C'mon people, has the collective character of our great country stooped so low in recent times? Are unnecessary goods, services, and keeping up with the Jones of more importance than the psychological, financial, and emotional stability within your very home?

I am what you would call a saver. This is the fashionable distinction to make these days; either you’re a SPENDER or a SAVER...whatever. Let me just say that I think this distinction is a load of crap. Either you are a responsible adult accountable for your actions, or you are behaving like an out of control child. The laws of money are based on simple mathematics that you learned in grade school. Apply them and you will reap success, forgo them and you will suffer more or less like those other fools out there right now getting foreclosed on. The banks and credit card companies don’t care how emotionally needy you were while you drank your $6 latte’s, bought a hummer, or just had to impress the neighbors with this, that, and the other thing. Unless you file for bankruptcy, you are basically on the hook, a slave to the lender. And another thing, the banks and lenders are smarter than you, they hire finance MBAs and PhDs who will work 80hrs per week figuring out how to get you in debt and keep you there.

How do I know this – EXPERIENCE. I was married to just such a person; she duped me three times in our 8yr marriage. Each time with a promise to change and that it would never happen again. I bailed us out of it each time, and when enough time went by and I let my guard down, she did it again. This third and final time I am forced to file bankruptcy, attempt to sell my house in a down market (all offers have been less than I paid for the home), my credit is ruined because she put my name on some of the cards which she never intended to pay, and to forfeit all of the sweat equity that I put into this home over the past four years of back breaking renovations that were done on nights and weekends after my 60 hour work week.

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souhail med - Jul 1, 2008

actually i prefer to disclose all my financial problems and even my exagerated expenses to my spouse or other half part in order to evaluate and measure how she can support me or if she may support me or not. because nowadays, many people are likely more interested to the financial position of her half part then to his own real and social value.