On Monday, Twitter picked a CEO after a lot of hand-wringing and American Apparel filed for bankruptcy protection after several close calls and an ousted founder.

That got us thinking about Jack Dorsey (the aforementioned Twitter CEO) and Dov Charney (the aforementioned fired head of American Apparel).

The two have a lot in common: both built successful companies as young men in California,  both are charismatic figureheads — albeit in very different ways — and both were eventually fired from the companies they helped create. Dorsey even dreamed of working in fashion once upon a time.

That said, these two men are in wildly different places today. Let’s take a look back at their careers: