This Is Uncomfortable January 22, 2026 Transcript
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Reema Khrais: You strike me as the kind of person who loves to give advice or maybe has some hot takes?
Sarah Hagi: Um… You've guessed correctly. I'm definitely, I got the opinions, I got the hot takes, and, you know, I love to gossip. So… [laugh]
Khrais: Hey, everyone, I'm Reema Khrais, and welcome to This Is Uncomfortable.
We’ve been asking you all for your questions about sticky situations at work – to leave voice messages on our hotline at 347-RING-TIU and this week, we are answering some of them as part of a segment we like to call “Work Drama.”
We got some pretty wild questions about workplace tension, coworker cliques and bosses behaving badly, and some bizarre office policies. And joining me to help answer those questions is one of my favorite culture writers and podcasters, Sarah Hagi. Sarah tells the stories of some notoriously bad bosses on Scam Influencers, which is a podcast about scams that she co-hosts with journalist, Saachi Cole. Hey, Sarah.
Hagi: Hey, how are you?
Khrais: I am good. How are you doing?
Hagi: Ah, I'm great.
Khrais: Okay. So before we get into the questions, I'm really curious, what are the common signs that your boss might be a scammer?
Hagi: Okay. If your boss is the only one who's allowed to see certain information and is cagey about, um, sharing information that should be known by people. They're a scammer. If they are pushing boundaries and putting you in situations where you feel like you can't say no for either, you know, doing some type of work that feels weird or off, I would say that's definitely scam territory.
Khrais: Scam territory. Oof.
Hagi: If they're suddenly living a lavish life, that doesn't really make sense for how much money they're getting paid.
Khrais: They're like pulling up in a BMW and…
Hagi: If they, if there are questions that cannot be answered about their lifestyle or relationships they have at work and that type of thing, it's usually scam territory, I'd say.
Khrais: Yeah, that makes sense. And of course, not every scam is as dramatic as embezzling funds. Sometimes you're just being taken advantage of, which brings us to our very first question. Read to us by our producer, Alice Wilder. Hey Alice.
Alice Wilder: Hey Reema. Okay. I have our first question: “I've been working as a consultant for the last four years. 90% of my work during this time has been directly or indirectly through a very successful man. A year ago that work dried up. When I reached out, he emphasized to me that he's working on a new solo project. A few months later, I saw him post about his new business on LinkedIn. When I checked the website, my photo and bio were there as if I was a part of his team.”
Khrais: Nope.
Wilder: “I do not work for this man. I'm also the only senior woman on his site, so I feel like I am being used as window dressing for his business. I don't wanna have an awkward conversation or cut myself out of future work, but he's profiting off of my name and reputation. Should I address it with him? And if so, what should I say?” Signed, Unpaid Coworker.
Khrais: Could you imagine that scenario?
Hagi: Oh, I would go crazy. Are you kidding me? That is, oh my God. I'd be like, first of all, get my face off your freaking website or give me a job.
Khrais: Right? Well, yeah. So then how would you approach it with them? Would you say that? Or would you like…
Hagi: I would, I would honestly…
Khrais: Would you just burn that bridge?
Hagi: I, I really think the best way to go about talking to someone like that, I would, one, have everything in writing in case it needs to be escalated.
Khrais: True.
Hagi: I would email and be like, “hey, I'm just wondering, you know, like, we're not really working together. I saw this on your website. Could you please explain?” And I think he just kind of ends up, you know, backed into this corner of either admitting he did something weird or taking it down or giving you a job.
Khrais: But I, I don't know if I'd still wanna work with that guy. I mean it depends on the financial, it depends on how much I'm…
Hagi: It depends on where I'm at.
Khrais: Yeah. No, I think that's, I think that's a move to say something like, hey, I noticed I'm listed on your website. Since I haven't agreed to participate, I… I'll need you to either remove me or we can formalize an agreement. My consulting rate is X.
Hagi: Yes. Perfect. Exactly. I think it's just so hard to know in those situations.
Khrais: Yeah.
Hagi: Because it's so socially weird to do that, that you're just kind of unprepared to be like, what the hell are you doing? Yeah, like what? Like you're not normal for doing that.
Khrais: You're not normal. You're not. It's also just so blatantly gross, like the fact that…
Hagi: So gross.
Khrais: …she's the only senior woman on the site, just the optics of that…
Hagi: It's tokenizing, weird… It's such a weird breach of trust and like what is considered normal that it's like all you really can do is confront. Me being like, fight. Fight now.
Khrais: Have you ever been in that kind of position?
Hagi: I haven't, but I've had people be kind of like, pushy to, to like want me to be a part of something.
Khrais: Right.
Hagi: And I know it's, I know it's because of optics.
Khrais: Oh, interesting. Like as a black Muslim journalist.
Hagi: Yeah. And I'm like, it's not gonna happen.
Khrais: Mm.
Hagi: Like you, you don't know me. You don't know anything about me, really. It's like you can't just do that.
Khrais: That's gross.
Hagi: And I think her instincts are probably correct. You know, if that's kind of how you feel. Um…
Khrais: Yeah. I mean, we see it all the time, right?
Hagi: That's right.
Khrais: Like folks putting… Companies, putting women or people of color or whatever on a page or a panel to signal legitimacy without actually sharing…
Hagi: Hiring or sharing…
Khrais: …The, the power or the pay. Right. It's part of the playbook.
Khrais: Okay, unpaid coworker. It sounds like you've got no choice but to have an awkward conversation. Put your thoughts in writing first so you have a paper trail and be polite, but direct with him. 'cause at the end of the day, he's profiting off of your image and reputation, so you've got to set a boundary.
Wilder: Okay, are you ready for the second question? They write, “I work for a successful law firm. My onboarding documents specifically say that the company doesn't quote, do raises and prefers to do occasional bonuses. It also says not to discuss pay with colleagues, which I know is illegal. Everyone I speak with complaints, but only one out of the six people I've spoken to is interested in a collective message to management. There's 30 total staff. I work remotely and I don't think I can organize everyone to my side. As a reformed job hopper, I'm okay to stay for two years until it's more acceptable to leave. Should I push back a loan?” Signed, Ready for a Raise
Khrais: What do you think, Sarah?
Hagi: I… that is so tough because it's such, to me that sounds like a scam. Like, “don't do raises.” What? Excuse me. Lemme guess who is getting a raise? Uh, your boss?
Khrais: Ooh. Most definitely they’re getting…
Hagi: The person who owns the law firm. Um, and yeah…
Khrais: That's one thing I would also say that explicitly.
Hagi: I think so too.
Khrais: And to not talk to your, not talk about pay with your coworkers?
Hagi: Yeah. I mean, considering that is illegal, that's really, uh, crazy to have that in writing. But I do think a lot of workplaces get away with giving people little perks instead of actually giving them what they want, which is real money. And it sounds like a bonus system is more like, tied to being competitive and less to do with like, doing good work, which is why also they don't want people to discuss pay, I'm guessing. And it sounds really rough, especially when your coworkers don't wanna rock the boat, so to speak. So in my mind I kind of see it as, I don't think it's something that could happen instantly. I don't think it's something that you can just mobilize people. I think it… it's something that just would probably take a while to, to get people on the page of realizing like, you know, we all could talk about this together and figure out a way to discuss how this isn't really fair.
Khrais: Because to be clear, the National Labor Relations Act protects the right for most people to share their wages, so they could file a complaint. But I think you're right. It sounds like this person is drawn to organizing, so maybe trust that instinct. And they could have more casual conversations, probably, with people in the office.
And it sounds like based on this question that she was like, I'm a reformed job hopper, so I'm okay to stay for two years. What do you think about that? Like people who feel like they need to stay at a workplace?
Hagi: I don't think it necessarily looks bad to be, you know, a quote unquote job hopper, depending on, you know…
Khrais: Same.
Hagi: …What your world is. And I think it's, you know, if this is a place where they won't budge and it's just, it's too much work for one person to try and organize their coworkers to ask for better. It might be, you might be better off going somewhere else because it's like, you know, that terrible feeling of it not being really fair will ruin your life.
Khrais: So ready for a raise. I know that being seen as a job hopper might be hard, but what's actually harder is going to work every day in a place where you don't feel respected. So if you wanna stay and make a change, maybe try having a bunch of low stakes, trustbuilding conversations with your coworkers before you can make moves as a group. And remember, you can always file a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board about your job’s “no talking about pay” policy.
After the break….
Wilder: How do I tell my coworker who I see three times a week that she cannot have a copy of my housekey?
Khrais: More work drama.
Welcome back. I'm here with journalist Sarah Hagi, answering your work drama questions. By the way, if you’ve got some work drama you want advice on, call us at 347-RING-TIU or email uncomfortable at marketplace dot org.
Alright– our next question is read by producer Alice Wilder.
Wilder: “I've been working on my team for about a year and a half, and I'm much younger than my coworkers. They've all worked together for nine plus years while I'm new to the team. It feels like no matter what I do, the team doesn't consider me to be, well, part of the team. I was also told by other team members that they had not wanted to hire me, but had preferred an internal candidate who was working in another position in the organization. I feel openly ignored and left out in a way that sometimes makes it difficult for me to do my job. So now I'm wondering if this is a problem with my age (I'm at least 10 years younger than the next youngest team member), my identification (I'm non-binary in a state with strong views about gender identity) or personality (I tend to be much more organized and structured than my teammates.) I feel very isolated and lonely in a job that is otherwise a dream come true for me. What should I do? Signed, The Sore Thumb.”
Hagi: Hmm.
Khrais: Oh, you are not a sore thumb. Stop.
Hagi: That hurts my heart. I always find it so strange when workplaces are cliquey like that, because it's like you're here for work. You know, the worst thing about jobs is that, like, you kind of have to be around people that you otherwise wouldn't really wanna know.
Khrais: Yeah, truly.
Hagi: Which is, like, so harsh to say, but you're kind of like, what universe would I ever know these people? Regardless of what this person ends up trying or you know, whatever effort they put in, it's like there's only so much you can do with people that you don't have anything in common with outside of work. Right?
Khrais: Yeah.
Hagi: And it's not up to you to show like, oh, like I'm worth being friends with and I'm worth, you know, socializing with in this way. I think it's better to let go of that if you feel like you've really tried and figure out a way to be comfortable and confident at work without their validation, but obviously it's easier said than done.
Khrais: Yeah.
Hagi: But also just like taking the pressure off, thinking it's like a hundred percent a you-problem, when you've tried to be amenable.
Khrais: Oh, for sure.
Hagi: When there's like a close knit team. I don't know. I dunno. What do you think?
Khrais: Yeah, one of my first jobs was like that, where I was the younger person and um, most folks were like in their forties and fifties, they'd been at with the company for years, and it took a while before I really adjusted and it took like another person my age joining. But you know, eventually I did have to reframe how I thought about my coworkers and my relationships with them. I was like, okay, I'm not gonna be like best friends with these people necessarily, but there are things I can learn from them. And so I started to, like, there was one person in particular who I would just pepper her with questions all the time and would eventually like pull up my chair and ask her to, like if I was like, can I just shadow you as you're doing this thing? And then naturally, obviously when you're doing that kind of, when you're working closely with someone like that, they start talking about their personal life or other things start to come up and then you form connections and then you have things to follow up on. So I do think it can happen organically in that way, if you approach it as like, hey, how can I learn from you?
Hagi: In my mind, if I was the older person in that situation, I'd be like, this cool young person has better things to do than wanna be my friend.
Khrais: Right! I feel like that right now where I'm like this 20-year-old doesn't wanna be friends with me. Like I…
Hagi: Yeah, they, they know what skibbedy-whatever is! But also, you know, I think if you feel excluded also, for so many reasons or you feel like you're different from whatever, your coworkers, it's so easy to internalize it and think like, this isn't clicking because they hate me and they think there's something wrong with me. And then you're kind of behaving in that manner towards that, right?
Khrais: It becomes a self fulfillment.
Hagi: Yeah. So difficult…
Khrais: But they also have those insecurities.
Hagi: Yeah, of course.
Khrais: We’re all, we're all insecure.
Wilder: Can I, can I offer an idea for this?
Hagi: Oh yeah.
Wilder: What if this person, like, found their least unfriendly coworker and like, ask them out for coffee or lunch and like sometimes you need a bridge person to like, kind of give you like…
Khrais: The access.
Wilder: …kind of vouch for you or like, you know, and, and having lunch with someone. It could just be a normal lunch, but you could also be like, hey, I've been feeling kind of like nodded on the joke at work. Is this something you experienced when you started? Or I think like if you can convey it a little bit of how you've been struggling. Maybe I'm being an optimist, but I'm like, maybe they'll be like, oh, I didn't even realize. Like I think, and when you've been in a social group for so long and that's just your like, default setting, they might be like, oh wow, we have been kind of leaving this person out.
Khrais: Right. Right.
Hagi: Totally.
Wilder: Maybe I should make more of an effort.
Hagi: Yes. I fully agree. I remember getting my first like, real job with, like, people I thought were so cool and everything. And I was like, oh my God, I'm never gonna break through. And it did take that bridge person, it really did. Where I'm like, oh, there's one person I kind of connect with. And it just kind of organically happened. But it took a while.
Khrais: Sore thumb really sounds like you're going through it. Seek out a bridge person, someone you can see yourself connecting with. And maybe make the first move by asking them some work questions or see if they wanna grab some lunch. And if that doesn't work, just remember that you don't have to prove that you're worth being friends with.
Wilder: Alright, here's our final question. This one's wild. I mean, they're all wild, but… “How do I tell my coworker, who I see three times a week, that she cannot have a copy of my house key? We are work friends but not friend-friends. She's going through a breakup and wants to stay with me while she moves out of the home she shared with her boyfriend. She doesn't have a lot of friends and I feel for her, but also I do not wanna give her a key to my place. Signed, Not Your Roommate.”
Hagi: Oh wow. Um…
Khrais: What's your first thought?
Hagi: My first thought is you have to be firm in this. Like, there's no way to sugarcoat it.
Khrais: Also, this is confusing. What do you mean, like someone wants a copy of your house key?
Hagi: I guess she wants a house key to be like, yeah, I'm gonna stay at your place for a bit while I'm breaking up and obviously I'll need a key.
Khrais: Gimme your key!
Hagi: That is how you get a squatter.
Khrais: Truly. I'm curious if you've been in that situation? I kind of have in the past, but, um, and it's not, it's not fun.
Wilder: Wait, sorry, Reema, you had a coworker ask for a house?
Khrais: No. Okay. To be clear, not a coworker…
Hagi: A squatter?
Khrais: Not a squatter. I know that… it was a friend of a friend and they just, like, stayed at our place for a really long time, and it became an issue. I was like, I thought y'all, I thought you were gonna stay just for like two days. Like, why has it been like two months?
Hagi: Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. If I'm really close with someone, and maybe we haven't had a ton of experiences where they're like, there's conflict or something's going on with them, or they're in distress. I mean, it's, that's kind of the moment where you're setting the rules and like what you kind of accept with all your friends' or like anyone you know.
Khrais: Right. This is just how I am, this is how I operate. It's not personal. Yeah.
Hagi: Exactly. It's like a time to be like, listen, I just, I don't really do that. Like I don't do the key thing. I think it's just like, it might get really messy. I could help you if you… in other ways, but it's just like, to me it's like a hard no. And I know if, if you give in at all, it's over. It's over.
Khrais: Yeah. I also think this is an example of how easily your friends and coworker lines can get blurred.
Hagi: Oh yeah.
Khrais: I don't know if you've been in this position where like, I've had to remind myself in the past, I'm like, oh yeah, they are my friend, but they're also kind of my coworker first. Like…
Wilder: She's talking about me right now.
Khrais: I know as I was saying this, I was like, I hope Alice doesn't think I'm talking about her. But no, but it got to the point where like…
Wilder: Okay, heard.
Khrais: Noted. No, but like in my early twenties, I was like such an overshare with my coworkers and I don't necessarily regret it, but it did blur the lines in a way where like suddenly I was at work crying in a booth, telling them about the latest drama in my life. And I was like, okay, maybe for my own sanity, I should have some stricter boundaries here.
Hagi: Oh yeah, big time. I, I think it's just one of those things you really have to like, be like, it's a hard no, like it's just never gonna happen. And once you allow someone to have your key, it's really hard to get it back. You gotta change your locks, basically.
Khrais: That's the only option.
Hagi: And worse comes to worst, you're not friends with them anymore. It's fine.
Khrais: It's fine. Move on.
Khrais: Not your roommate. You've got to set some clear boundaries, even if it's awkward, and maybe consider reevaluating how much you share with your coworkers, unless you're eventually okay with changing your locks.
Wilder: Okay, so before we end the episode, I wanna do a little round of “workplace would you rather”? I came up with these with help from some of my most diabolical coworkers at Marketplace. You know who you are. Reema has not seen them.
Khrais: I have not.
Wilder: This is like a full surprise.
Khrais: Okay, I'm excited. I love a good would you rather.
Wilder: Okay. Would you rather go into the office every day, but you get unlimited PTO or work from home, but you get two sick days and two vacation days a year.
Hagi: Well, I, so that sounds to me like a normal job, I guess.
Wilder: Yeah. Would you rather have a normal job with unlimited PTO or work from home?
Hagi: Um, you know what, if it was one or the other, I think I would just… I, I know unlimited PTO is a scam, but I'd rather find a way to work around that than be like, cool, I have two sick days and two vacation days or whatever.
Khrais: Yeah. I'd go into the office every day and even though, I mean, I love the flexibility I have working from home, I do think… I like the version of myself when I'm in the office because I'm just interacting more with people. Yeah. I… my mood is like lifted and, and different, I mean, obviously I don't feel great all the time being in a workplace, having to wear jeans.
Hagi: I guess that's what regular jobs are so you know, I, I, I think I'll pick that.
Wilder: Okay. Would you rather get caught gossiping on Slack or accidentally reply all to an all staff email?
Khrais: No, neither! That's my nightmare.
Wilder: You have to answer. I'm sorry.
Hagi: I would reply all, 'cause that, that mean… doesn't necessarily mean you're saying something wrong, but gossip is hard to come back from.
Khrais: Unless you can delete it in time.
Wilder: And you get caught. In the scenario you caught, you've, you've been caught.
Khrais: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm gonna be a reply all, girl.
Hagi: I'm replying all and I'll make it cute.
Wilder: Okay. Would you rather be in charge of planning the company holiday party or auditing people's expense reports?
Khrais: Wait, what? I would love to plan a holiday party.
Hagi: Oh my gosh. I mean, I, I shouldn't be trusted with either. Audit expenses would be nice to check out what people are doing.
Khrais: Ooh, no. I'd force everyone to play, like, corny games, like we're gonna do karaoke and do all the classic stuff, but also we're going to do like a blind taste test.
Hagi: Okay.
Khrais: And we're going to do like a balloon fight, maybe like a water balloon fight.
Hagi: I feel like the auditing expenses sounds tedious, but also quite powerful. So I think I'm gonna go with the expenses.
Wilder: Oh, okay.
Hagi: Because I just can't plan a party.
Wilder: So when I was living in New York as like a 20 something, my roommate worked in marketing for (beep) and she was like, yeah, my boss is like, paying for her wedding on the company card.
Khrais: Oh, that's insane.
Hagi: Oh yeah. I'm auditing expenses, big time.
Wilder: Okay. Uh, this next question is our last. Would you rather have your worst boss of all time as your roommate or have your worst roommate of all time as your boss?
Khrais: That's a good one. Like when you have a bad roommate, doesn't it feel like you kind of have a bad boss? Because oftentimes the bad roommate. I mean…
Wilder: I'm thinking of my roommate who was like, why didn't you wash my dishes?
Khrais: Exactly.
Wilder: And I was like, what do you mean? They're your dishes, like…
Khrais: But like they tend… I mean, bad roommates can have like, bossy vibes to them, right? Like yeah, they want things on their terms.
Hagi: I don't think I'd ever wanna live with someone who is my boss ever in a million years. Good or bad.
Khrais: I mean, sometimes bad bosses aren't good at managing, but they're kind of fun people.
Hagi: They could be a good… That's true, that's true.
Khrais: You know, like they're a good time. Like I had a boss who loved to gossip. Was she, was she good at her job? Not, not really. But was she fun? Like we would be at the office till like 7:00 PM sometimes just like chatting and I'm like, what am I doing here?
Hagi: And you're like, we should live together.
Khrais: So yeah, I think that's my choice.
Wilder: Give her a key to your house.
Hagi: Yeah, I think I would do… Uh, bad roommate as boss.
Wilder: And Reema, you’re bad boss as roommate?
Khrais: Yes. I'm thinking of someone very specific.
Hagi: You're like, I'd love to live with her.
Khrais: All right, Sarah, this was really fun. Thanks so much for coming on the show.
Hagi: I had so much fun. I would love to. This is awesome.
Khrais: Alright, that is all for this week.
Thank you to everyone who sent in their questions. If you have a question yourself, some work mess you want to air out, you can leave us a voicemail at 347-RING-TIU or send it to us at uncomfortable@marketplace.org. Or you can let us know if you disagree with one of our takes.
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Wilder: This episode was produced by me, Alice Wilder, with additional producing by Flora Warshaw. Zoe Saunders is our senior producer. Audio Engineering by Drew Jostad. Bridget Bodner is Marketplace's Director of podcasts. Marketplace's Chief Content Officer is Joanne Griffith. Neil Scarborough is Vice President and General Manager of Marketplace.
Khrais: Alright, we'll catch y'all next week.