Waymo self-driving vehicles are displayed at the Google I/O 2018 Conference at Shoreline Amphitheater in  Mountain View, California, in May.
Waymo self-driving vehicles are displayed at the Google I/O 2018 Conference at Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View, California, in May. - 
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Earlier this week, Google's self-driving car spinoff, Waymo, launched a commercial self-driving taxi service in the Phoenix area. It's limited, but it’s technically a public launch, not just testing. And this is a case where the tech moved faster than the laws. Proposed federal rules for regulating self-driving cars called the AV START Act have been stuck in neutral for about a year. But this week senators updated the language in the bill. They're even considering attaching it to the must-pass budget legislation that Congress will decide on before the end of the year. Molly Wood talked about it with Aarian Marshall, who covers autonomous vehicles for Wired magazine. The following is an edited transcript of their conversation.

Aarian Marshall: A big part of this legislation is trying to define what part of self-driving car regulation is going to be in the hands of the federal government, the Department of Transportation, and what part of it is in the hands of the states and cities that will actually have these things on their roads.

Molly Wood: But that's a bit controversial in itself, right? Would this legislation supersede the state laws?

Marshall: Yeah, it's definitely controversial. So the way it's been explained to me thus far is the bumper-to-bumper car, that means the design and the performance of the vehicle, is all up to the federal government. And that's actually the way it works for normal cars now. They're making sure your Toyota isn't going to kill you. And if they discover a defect, they're going to create a recall so that Toyota has to come in and fix that. What's left up to the states and the local municipalities are the traffic laws, licensing and registration. Just like you and I have to go to the DMV, autonomous vehicles might have to go to the DMV in certain states and get their license there. So that's the way it's kind of breaking down at this point. But this is just the start. This bill is not meant to be the final word on self-driving car regulation. They're just trying to kind of lay the groundwork as this technology develops.

Wood: So is there any sense then of what happens now? Is this bill likely to pass if it gets attached to the must-pass spending bill?

Marshall: There are still definitely some Democratic senator holdouts who really just don't like the way this bill is handling safety. They want a firmer federal oversight of self-driving car technology. So they're not going to vote for this bill. That said, if it does get attached to a bigger spending bill that has to pass so that the government doesn't shut down, it's going to be hard to justify not voting for it just based on this tiny, little self-driving car part. I'd say most of the industry is really happy with this bill. I'm hearing a lot of optimism out of Washington, but it's definitely not a done deal yet.

And now for some related links:

  • More on Lyft: That company has a very different approach to self-driving cars than Uber, which has been trying to create its own technology in-house. Lyft partners with just about anybody, letting Ford, GM and Waymo test their self-driving cars in its network. And in March of this year, Lyft made a deal with Magna International to create driverless tech. But now that Lyft has beaten Uber to the IPO starting line, expect a lot of discussion of the differences in the two companies and how they approach the market. Both believe that driverless cars are the key to their future business, but Lyft's approach might just be cheaper and faster in the long run. That said, Waymo's new commercial service will compete directly with both Uber and Lyft. So success is far from assured.
  • And here’s an update from the world of “Fortnite.” We talked back in October about how “Fortnite” has borrowed liberally from artists and rappers in creating its popular emotes, the little dances that players can buy for five bucks apiece. We interviewed a lawyer and former dancer who walked us through what it takes to actually copyright a dance move and she told us it could be a high bar to clear. But lawyers for the rapper 2 Milly are going to try to jump that bar. He sued the makers of “Fortnite” on Wednesday. He alleges Epic Games took his “Milly Rock” dance and renamed it “Swipe It” in “Fortnite.”

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