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India's Dalits seek economic equality

In this neighborhood of Mumbai, India, poor families live crammed into into tiny one-room apartments. Students who can't concentrate on their work in these crowded homes go to this quiet road behind a hospital where they study under the green glow of street lights, or around small campfires.

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Kai Ryssdal: India's month-long national election begins tomorrow. And all eyes will be on a politician named Mayawati. She's making moves to become the country's next prime minister. Which is a big deal because she's a Dalit. That's what people in the lowest Hindu social castes call themselves; they used to be called "untouchables." Mayawati's rise is a hopeful sign for Dalits. But as Marketplace's Rico Gagliano reports, most people of that social level still find themselves struggling for economic equality.


AMOL KAMBLE: Hello, this is Amol Kamble, from India.

RICO GAGLIANO: Racially, Amol Kamble is no different than any Indian. But socially, his Hindu surname pegs him as a Dalit. I first meet him in Mumbai one night in a jail.

Well, it was a jail, back in colonial days. Now it's one of many crowded apartment buildings in this chawl -- a neighborhood just a cut above a slum. Amol's whole family -- six people -- live in one 18-by-20-foot room. They share one bathroom with everyone else on their floor. A few years ago, when Amol attended public college, he found the building just too loud for studying. So he went to a better place. We head there by taxi.

GAGLIANO: So where are we going now?

KAMBLE: Study Street. What we call Study Street.

GAGLIANO: Study Street? So everybody in this neighborhood would go to study in this place?

KAMBLE: Yeah, under the streetlight.

GAGLIANO: Under the streetlight?

KAMBLE: Yeah.

Amol points out the window, and there they are: Dozens of people on the sidewalk, reading textbooks under streetlights. Some have built little campfires.

This Dalit student says he wishes the local government would install some seats. And leave the streetlights on later, so he could study longer.

Still, many of these people consider themselves lucky. In some rural areas, Dalit people are considered "impure" -- so low on the social ladder they're not even supposed to touch the Indian flag. Here in progressive Mumbai, if they get a degree, they could get a decent job. But some say a degree alone won't get Amol out of this chawl. Because even in cities, the remains of the caste system linger.

CHANDRABHAN PRASAD: I feel it is more a psychological problem than social.

Chandrabhan Prasad is a columnist for India's newspaper "The Pioneer." He's also a Dalit. He says, legally, caste discrimination is banned, but that many in the upper castes still can't bring themselves to give Dalit workers promotions, or sometimes hire them at all. He tells me about a 2007 study from a Dalit group and Princeton sociologists. They sent identical fake resumes, under different fake surnames, to Indian companies.

PRASAD: And often the resume with the same qualification, with the Dalit-sounding surname, it was rejected.

In some industries, like tech, that's changing. But the one employer Dalits know won't balk at their resumes is the government. For decades, it's had an affirmative-action program. Some state and federal jobs get set aside for lower castes. They call this "reservation." Amol Kamble's dad worked a reservation job. That's how he could afford to send Amol to school. Prasad says the program has helped.

PRASAD: Federal or state jobs have created a Dalit middle class. But that is not enough.

It's not enough because, thanks to privatization, the government is shrinking, and with it the number of reservation jobs. Prasad says what's needed now is reservation at private companies. The government says it sympathizes, that there's a committee considering the idea and that they're funding training programs to help Dalits crack the private sector.

Sanjay Kumar is with the Ministry of Justice and Empowerment.

SANJAY KUMAR: Infosys, in partnership with the government, trained 86 students. And I'm glad to tell you that 74 of them have found as good jobs as anyone else in very reputed software companies.

Since this interview, around 500 more graduated that program. But there are an estimated 160 million Dalits in India. Meanwhile, a federal bill mandating private reservations is hung up in Parliament. So one Dalit has started his own affirmative-action plan.

MICHAEL THEVAR: Hi, this is Michael Thevar. We are at the Philadelphia International Airport. We are waiting for some Dalit friends of ours coming from India.

Michael Thevar is a Dalit himself. After years of work, and with the help of a non-Dalit Christian surname -- his father converted -- he came to the U.S. on an exchange program for social workers. Now he owns two health-care staffing companies here. And every year since 2001 he's flown in Dalits from India and given them full-time jobs.

THEVAR: They are masters-level, social-work professionals and masters-level clinicians. And they are from the slums, rural and tribal areas of India.

Thevar says this is the only program of its kind. Most Indians in America are from middle or upper castes; Dalits are rarely able to migrate here. So when the new workers arrive, they're dazed at their luck. This is the first time social worker Neetu Bhole has ever flown in a plane.

NEETU BHOLE: It was . . . I can say it was amazing. It was like my own dream which is coming true. Even I was not able to believe that, yeah, it's . . . everything is happening.

Amol Kamble, from Study Street, was supposed to be one of Neetu's co-workers. Thevar recruited him more than a year ago. But there's a lottery for America's 85,000 skilled-worker visas, and Amol lost. He's still back in the chawl.

I'm Rico Gagliano for Marketplace.

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Sudarshan Betigeri's picture
Sudarshan Betigeri - Apr 15, 2009

Although this story about India's Dalits would be a politically correct type of reporting, it is a one sided depiction about the social dynamics of India. The report mentioned 160 million Dalits living in India. But it didn't bother to report how many of these are really living below the poverty line and how many need uplifting. Are all of these 160 million Dalits study under lights and are discriminated against in society? No! There are equal or more number of so called "upper class" who live in the same economic conditions as the Dalits. But nobody in the government cares about changing their standard of living.

About reservations, less said the better. Currently the "reservations" which the report talks about has 52% reservation for the Dalits and 48% for the rest of India. Where is the justice here? The original reservation system in the constitution was created to last 15 years from 1950 (the year the constitution was written of independent India). The intent was to change the living standards of one generation of Dalits, so that their future generations could compete well in the entire society. But of course politicians needed votes, so this original expiry date of reservation system in the constitution has been kept on amended indefinitely. There is no doubt that the Dalits used to be oppressed, but that was half a century ago! It is time the country moved on, and treated all the sections of the society equally. The non-Dalits in the meanwhile are continually getting a raw deal. The reservation system is implemented right from the higher educational institutions and goes on to government jobs. The only place where merit based selection is left is the private sector. The government cannot and should not mandate reservations here. Reservation really defeats the merit based system, and soon people will just want reservation for their own community so they have to work less and enjoy disproportionate benefits.

The reservation system has to be amended to include only the economically backward section of the society, Dalits or Non-Dalits. This is the fairest form of equal opportunity. All in all, completely disappointed by Marketplace's one sided reporting.

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Shubhanan B - Apr 15, 2009

Very good story, but it hardly does justice to the issue.
The problems of the untouchables are very real even as India moves into the space age. But, more than anything this is an issue of bad governance than anything else. The politicians use the dalits as vote banks and bleed the system in the process.
I have no issues with having monetary and other kinds assistance for the dalits. But by providing reservations in top universities, the system is producing a lot of unqualified people. For example, it requires only a second class (GPA 2) to get admitted to a medical degree program. However, for other people the qualifying grade would be a GPA of 3.5 or more. And on top of that, the real needy people do not get the reservations. It goes to some category that was created by the politicians to cater to a favorite group.
In the process we are getting a doctor who is not qualified but got the degree, thereby putting a big question mark on the education system and the quality of medical service that I as a user may receive.
This is reason the reservation system is vehemently opposed (and not for the reasons of caste) not only by people but also by the private sector companies, which are afraid they will lose their edge due to the quality of candidates they hire.

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Lina Patel - Apr 15, 2009

I listened with interest to the reporting on Dalit's in India. It's funny that we in America forget we have our own form of "untouchable"-ism. If you sent the same resume with the name of a caucasian-sounding male and then a Latina name, or a Vietnamese name or even a woman's name, I bet you would find the same sort of discrimination. We elected Obama but there is still plenty of prejudice and outright racisim right here at home. Also the Dalit politician that was mentioned, Mayawati, yes she is a Dalit, but that fact should not ennoble her to a reporter. Do you know what she stands for? What her platform is? You may find it enlightening to find out.
Thank you,
Lina

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