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O'Rourke: If the 1% had less, would the 99% be better off?

Author P.J. O'Rourke poses for a portrait at Book Soup in Los Angeles, Calif. He says Occupy protesters shouldn't believe in the Zero Sum Fallacy.

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Kai Ryssdal: Regardless of how or where the Occupying is being done, the protests have launched important conversations in this country about the wealth gap. We've been riffing on that this week and asking our commentators: If the 1% had less, would the 99% be bettter off?

Here's P.J. O'Rourke.


P.J. O'Rourke: The "Occupy This, That and the Other Place" people are right about the sins of the financial system and right about the evil of government supporting and subsidizing this malfeasance. It's not fair that 1 percent of Americans are rolling in dough while the rest of us are scrimping to pay for our Internet connection so we can go on Groupon.

But the Occupiers are wrong about something much more important. They believe in the Zero Sum Fallacy -- the idea that there is a fixed amount of the good things in life. Anything I get, I'm taking from you. If I have too many slices of pizza, you have to eat the Dominos box. The Zero Sum Fallacy is a bad idea -- dangerous to economics, politics, and world peace. It means any time we want good things we have to fight with each other to get them. We don't. We can make more good things. We can make more pizza -- or more tofu, windmills and solar panels, if you like.

The Zero Sum Fallacy is just that, a fallacy. Economic history since the Industrial Revolution proves -- be the rich however stinking rich -- we ordinary people can make more of the good things in life. But we have to make them ourselves, with our knowledge, skills and hard work. Government can't give us good things. Government doesn't make things, it just redistributes them. This brings us back to fighting with each other.

The good things in life are remarkably expandable, but it's ordinary people who expand them. Look at China, look at India. Yes, it's upsetting that some people have so much while other people have so little. It isn't fair. But I accept this unfairness. Indeed, I treasure it. That's because I have a 13-year-old daughter And that's all I hear, "That's not fair," she says. "That's not fair! That's not fair!" And one day I snapped, and I said, "Honey, you're cute, that's not fair. Your family is pretty well off, that's not fair. You were born in America, that's not fair. Darling, you had better get down on your knees and pray that things don't start getting fair for you."


Ryssdal: P.J. O'Rourke is a political satirist. His newest book is called "Holidays in Heck." You can hear all the commentaries from this series, and offer your answer to the question du jour: If the 1% had less, would the 99% be better off?

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P. J. O'Rourke is a political satirist.

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Bob's picture
Bob - Dec 24, 2011

Hey, communists:

The average GDP per capita worldwide is $9,216.29

Average GDP per capita in the United States: $47,184.47

So, about that Robert Mugabe Economic Plan you folks are fond of...

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bg_321 - Dec 12, 2011

Following is some "history" that Mr. O'Rourke seems to ignore. In the 1950s, 60s, and 1970s:
• Income was more evenly distributed. The rich paid more (the top marginal tax rate was never below 70% [until 1981]). The poor paid less.
• Banks were well-regulated
• Labor unions were strong and prevalent.
• Democrats and Republicans worked together

… and the outcomes at that time?
• The economy grew faster the first three decades after World War II than it has since. The productivity of American workers soared, and most Americans shared the gains. We created a virtuous cycle in which an ever growing middle class had the ability to consume more goods and services, which created more and better jobs, thereby stoking demand.
• The median wage in America increased, adjusted for inflation (vs. the past 30 years, when median wages have essentially stagnated)
• The unemployment rate was commonly less than 6% and never exceeded 7.5% (vs. today, unemployment is more than 8.5%, and we may not see 6% unemployment again until well after 2020.)
• We ably managed the federal budget while still investing in important things. Education and infrastructure saw significant investments. Even with these investments, annual deficits rarely exceeded 2% of U.S. Gross Domestic Product (vs. now deficits routinely exceed 2% GDP)
• Less than 21% of families with young children lived in poverty between 1967 to 1981 (vs. today it’s 37 percent—the highest percent on record)
• Gross public debt was less than 80% of U.S. Gross Domestic Product (vs. more than 100% now)

So tell me again, what is so awful about a little income redistribution? Seems to me it worked pretty good once, why not again?

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Bob - Dec 24, 2011

RE: "Income was more evenly distributed."

Ah, yes. This is true in North Korea, as well. Have you considered moving? I hear Delta's ready when you are...

Re: "The poor paid less."

Huh? So, you're saying that items on shelves had too prices one them - one for poor people and one for everybody else? What?

Re: "So tell me again, what is so awful about a little income redistribution? Seems to me it worked pretty good once, why not again?"

It worked wonders in Cambodia - I recommend a film about the wonders of socialism called The Killing Fields - it's a hoot.

First time visiting this site...why are so many of the commenters on a website called "marketplace.org" a bunch communists who couldn't run a lemonade stand?

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obamasshorts - Dec 13, 2011

Heh. During the 50's and 60's we had the advantage of having been the last power standing after WWII. This condition is gone and not likely to be repeated.

Second thing. In those years the Democrat Party was still largely sane. This condition is gone and not likely to be repeated.

Income redistribution? If we took ten percent more from everyone making over 10 million and shared it out with everyone filing a tax return each taxpayer would get about 205 dollars. [statistics from this link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/04/us-usa-economy-incomes-idUSTRE... Color me unimpressed. Theft is a poor way to make a living, and indulging your envy is the ticket to Hell (either actually or metaphorically. I don't care which.) What are needed is JOBS. If you want your job producers out grazing in the field and making milk and cheese for you, then you need to stop it with all the wolvish howling. This just scares your producers. Their eyes roll up in terror and they stay in the barn.

You want prosperity? Get rid of Obama.

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MDC - Dec 12, 2011

Taking these comments at face value, Mr. O'Roarke has a large following of fans that have never paid any attention to his philosphies and positions. (/sarc)

It's like reading Penthouse letters (errr... or so I've heard): "I never thought it would happen to me, but..." Come on! Really, you've liked everything he's ever said before, but pointing out that the OWS are whiney bunch of envious folk that seriously think that the most demonstrably failed systems of wealth distribution should be tried one more time is beyond the pale? I am a sporadic reader of O'Roarke, but was not at all surpised by this position. Why is that? Oh, yeah... because I'm not trying to claw some unearned credibility out of the air before I rant about 'fairness' and make vague hand-wavings as to why people can't stop their self-destructive activities, take advantage of any of the scores of programs designed to help them, move to where there are opportunities (which might be employment, might be an unmet demand that needs some supply), or otherwise stop the whining.

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Constitution_First - Dec 12, 2011

Succinctly put PJ, however, the Liberal mind functions primarily on emotion, not logic.

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FSM_47 - Dec 12, 2011

RealClearMarkets - Exactly What Is Crony Capitalism, Anyway? - http://goo.gl/saV6B

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FSM_47 - Dec 12, 2011

You people who are demanding change won't see any as long as you have a pResident who spends his career campaigning at $38,000 dollar meet-and greets while preaching divisiveness. Those crony-capitalists and lobbyists aren't sending in the big bucks to Obama out of the goodness of their hearts. Those union leaders are backing Obama so they can reach deeper into the middle-class taxpayer pockets for 'free' benefits.

It is time to wake up and see who is REALLY supporting this regime and elect people not beholding to the groups you are whining about. You could make yourself feel good by taxing the 'rich' 100% and your situation wouldn't change an iota. If mom didn't have the money you didn't get your allowance. If mom liked Johnny more, he got more.

Taxing isn't the answer to your complaint. Changing the culture in DC is the answer and Obama and his minions are leading that culture by preaching one thing and doing another. When the Democrats had complete control of DC why were no immigration reform bills introduced and passed? Government favored Businesses and the Unions LIKE the status quo and they give the big bucks to the Democrats.

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dennism - Dec 12, 2011

The theory that the only way the rich have of getting richer was first espoused by Professor Irwin Corey.

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OutlawPundit - Nov 22, 2011

I had a dream. In it Mr. O'Rourke had paid his mortgage religiously for years. Then, a large bank "accidentally" repossessed Mr. O'Rourke's home. After exhausting all options to resolve the situation, he turned to the legal system and took the bank to court. When the judge asked Mr. O'Rouke why the bank should give him his home back, he replied indignantly, "Because it's not fair!!"

To which the judge replied... "Mr. O'Rourke, you'd better get on your knees and PRAY things don't get fair!!"

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