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'Homeless Hotspots' program sparks debate

Google Maps is used to indicate where the "Homeless Hotspots" are located. A controversial new experiment at South by Southwest puts Wi-Fi units in the hands of the homeless. Accused of condescension and exploitation, Homeless Hotspots creators hope the debate will encourage entrepreneurship and visibility.

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Kai Ryssdal: This is a big week down in Austin, Texas. South by Southwest is in full swing. There's music and movies, and technology at South by Southwest Interactive.

And that's where we start today, because we saw a thing this morning that literally made us ask whether it was real news or something from The Onion -- Homeless Hotspots. Homeless people wearing T-shirts labeling them as Homeless Hotspots. Turns out they're selling wireless Internet access. The whole thing is getting a lot of negative feedback; "exploitative" is one of the kinder descriptions.

Saneel Radia works for BBH, the marketing firm behind the experiment. We got him at a homeless shelter in Austin. Saneel, thanks for joining us.

Saneel Radia: Good to be here.

Ryssdal: So let's dig a little bit. You're in Austin for South by Southwest, can't get online, you need a Wi-Fi connection, and you see a homeless person wearing a shirt that says "Homeless Hotspot." What do you do? How does it work?

Radia: The short version is what we're doing is we're trying reinvent the street newspaper model. When we looked into it, we realized that actually they do a lot more than just provide money for the homeless. They give them a social interaction that's actually quite critical to their success. And so we thought that reinventing it would give us the opportunity to bring the homeless out of kind of invisibility as we've seen them treated at big conferences and such.

Ryssdal: Let's remind people what street newspapers are. They are newspapers sold by homeless people, sometimes content-generated by homeless people, and then they get to keep the proceeds.

Radia: That is exactly right. The goal is to go make you introduce yourself. So there is no way to hop on their 4G network without going and speaking to them. That's that social interaction point. These aren't just people that are antennas -- that's somehow been implied in this kind of hardware application that looks bad. They have a service that they offer, which is to get you online. And they generally tell you their story. Once they tell you their story, you get the code, you text in, and then you can join their network and then the money goes directly to them for the access you just got.

Ryssdal: Not to put too fine a point on it, but did you think about how it looks? 'Cause it just looks not great.

Radia: Absolutely. I think that's a very fair question. What's interesting about it, though, is everyone who has dug below the surface has left with a very different perspective. I wish that anyone who knows someone in Austin or is in Austin currently goes and speaks to one of these people. There is no way to engage with one of these people without feeling quite warm-hearted about it. So I hear the point about if you got a 140 character update from Twitter, that looks bad. That said, look at any of the original source information and you realize this is actually a program with an exceptional amount of integrity trying to help people.

Ryssdal: I'm going to try this again, perhaps less delicately. It sounds almost condescending. It sounds, look at these homeless people, we're trying to do this nice thing for them, wouldn't that be nice?

Radia: Yeah, and I apologize to anyone that's offended by that. Many of the street newspapers that we've been speaking to realize it's actually not condescending. What we're doing is we're taking a model that exists already -- street newspapers. It's really that social interaction point, the ability for them to express themselves, to be a bit entrepreneurial. Again, if you really get into the experience, it is the opposite of condescending. It's very empowering, actually.

Ryssdal: When you guys were brainstorming this, did you anticipate the blowback? Did you think about this?

Radia: Certainly we did think about it. It would be naive not to think that this is going to be debated. By putting this model out there, and letting people debate -- this is what worked in their program and this is what didn't work -- we're actually uniquely qualified to say, we can take our licks for whatever we got wrong. What we're motivated by what the people who adopt it get right as a result.

Ryssdal: Saneel Radia, he's the director of innovation at a company called BBH. It's a communications firm in New York City. We got him at a down in Austin, Texas, at South by Southwest. Saneel, thanks a lot.

Radia: Thank you so much, Kai.

Ryssdal: So what do you think? Condescending or a good idea? Let us know. Leave a comment or write to us.

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Kai Ryssdal is the host and senior editor of Marketplace, public radio’s program on business and the economy. Follow Kai on Twitter @kairyssdal.

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sushiSakana - Mar 14, 2012

I also felt like the interview began in a presumptuous tone and I was particularly taken aback with Kai's response, "I'm going to try this again, perhaps less delicately."

Everyone realizes that homelessness is a problem in this country, but very few people actually try to do something constructive about it. What does it say about our society when we can sit in the ivory tower and pontificate about the ineptitude of our government, infringement on the freedom of speech, and whether or not "corporations are people", but when individuals actually put forth ideas towards alleviating a problem, the best we can do is condescend and point out everything that is not politically correct about it? Leave it to the media to blow things out of proportion with caustic rhetoric..

Sorry Kai, but I'm not with you on this one. The only people who's attitude towards this issue really holds any weight are the homeless and the unemployed. It seems to be a trend that if anyone attempts a business-related approach towards fixing unemployment, they are assumed to be exploitative. Why not ask the homeless to see if THEY feel exploited?

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Chan - Mar 13, 2012

Kai, I love you, I really do, but I was really troubled by the tone you took in this interview. It was clear that you had a bias -- and given that, I think that Mr. Radia more than held his own. Quite honestly, if you're so worried about this being exploitative, why not ask a few homeless people and see how they feel about it? Aren't they in a better position to determine this than you or the others who are complaining? I live in Austin and from my perspective as a non-homeless person, this looks like a win-win opportunity.

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Becky B. - Mar 13, 2012

As someone who interacted with these guys down at the Austin convention center, I have to say I didn't see it as exploitative at all. The guys who were participating seemed to be genuinely pumped to do so, and they were thoroughly charming. In my view, it helped to raise the profile of the homeless, and I was inspired to donate to Clarence the Homeless Hotspot through http://homelesshotspots.com, which claims to give all the proceeds to Clarence himself. From my perspective, begging makes both parties uncomfortable, but standing on the street and offering a legitimate service seems to build some mutual respect into the equation.

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rajmehta0204 - Mar 13, 2012

Do something. Opine later.

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williebaronet - Mar 13, 2012

This is not a simple ethical question. Since 1993 I've been buying and collecting homeless signs. It began out of my discomfort with being confronted by the homeless on street corners. I collected the signs with the intention of using them to make art, and in grad school I finally created work that was meaningful to me (including installations, performances, and various other media). The process of buying the signs over all these years has been transformative, changing my perspectives and feelings about the homeless. Having had many hundreds of conversations while buying signs, visiting shelters, or helping with the homeless census project, I've had the good fortune to hear many of their stories, and realize they are just like me. The stories I made up about the homeless said more about me than it did about them. I've also wrestled with the ethical questions that come up when I buy their signs, and use them in art projects. I hired a homeless man to hold a sign at an art opening, where he visited with the other art patrons. Was I taking advantage of him? There are no simple answers. Bottom line for me is that I commend anyone whose goal is to raise awareness about homelessness. www.weareallhomeless.org

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wingdom - Mar 13, 2012

I'm unemployed, but not homeless, so I kinda see the advantages of this project. I see it as an additional avenue for unemployed to meet people and deliver their elevator pitch. Do you have to be homeless to participate? Do you have to interview for the job? If you are homeless, do you have access to a shower before you get the T-shirt? Do you get a shower and a fresh and clean T-shirt every day?

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Virginia78704 - Mar 12, 2012

I heard the story on the way and found it amusing. I guess it is because I am from Austin, and it did not seem odd to me that Austin would do something like this. Especially for SXSW, where it seems that it's not just about music & film anymore. It always seems to be slightly differnt every year. This year we have the interactive. So with that I am sure alot of new ideas and concepts for SXSW were created. Thus giving us the Homeless 4G Hotspot aspect of it. I did not see the Homeless Hotspot as being disrespectful or condescending to the homeless. I am guessing that they had a choice if they wanted to participate or not. I think it's a cool idea, b/c often I have been curious of their stories, and to me the "4G-Hotspot" t-shirt is a cool way to approach someone & break the ice to learn their story. What I like about it is that not only can we hook up to there 4G network, but they also get paid. I am curious to see if it did as well as BBH had hoped. Would be nice to hear a follow up story, and to see how much $$$ the homeless in Austin made from this project. And if we Austinites & SBSW goers were able to use the 4G Homeless Networks w/o any glitches. SXSW ends on the 18th, so hopefully we can here from Kai & Saneel again on the 19th.

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spkemp - Mar 12, 2012

Great idea. Whose business it but "those people" involved, especially when the alternatives are do nothing except offering up fatuous judgments and keeping them marginalized.... get a grip, you guys.
But THANKS FOR THE STORY.

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LarsAnderson - Mar 12, 2012

I agree with so many of the other posters here. The only thing condescending in that report was Mr. Ryssdal. His smugness and obvious "i know better" attitude is tiresome. I hear it every time he opens his mouth.

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jansellf - Mar 12, 2012

Sorry, Kai, but you sounded like a smug upper middle class guy who doesn't want to be bothered by homeless people. You're not the one to be defending their dignity.
It's a business, advertising. And it's a job, however temporary.
We're bombarded by advertising everywhere. Sorry if y'all are not comfortable if it is connected with a real face-to-face person, who by the way, is disenfranchised by this Marketplace y'all are talking about.
Honestly, I've wished I didn't have to see those people in gorilla suits jumping around swinging advertising signs at a red light, but I'm not proud of that.
Sounds like the folks in Austin are offering a service. You can say "no thanks" & keep walking if you don't need it.

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