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Examining U of Phoenix recruitment

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Kai Ryssdal: President Obama turned to education today. He dangled $5 billion in grant money in front of states that are willing to line up their priorities with his. That's K-through-12 education, of course. Yesterday we were talking about higher education. For-profit higher ed, specifically. The biggest for- profit university in the country -- the University of Phoenix -- is fighting a lawsuit. The suit says the school cheated taxpayers out of billions of dollars. Money that came from federal student loans. It's just the latest in a series of claims that for-profit schools use deceptive tactics to sign people up. Our story reported by Marketplace's Amy Scott and Sharona Coutts of ProPublica continues now. Here's Amy.


AMY SCOTT: It might start with a click on a banner ad. Or maybe an online competition to win an iPod. You fill out some personal information. And then the calls start.

KATHERINE CLARK: They were very persistent.

TERESA BARRON: She called me every day.

DANIEL RAY: I legitimately got three or four calls a day for about two weeks until I finally talked to him.

Katherine Clark, Teresa Barron, and Daniel Ray are just three of the many students around the country who tell a similar story. They've been hounded by enrollment counselors from for-profit colleges. Anyone familiar with the sales profession will recognize some of their hard-sell tactics.

But ProPublica and Marketplace have uncovered several instances where recruiters crossed the line. One tactic: win the target's trust.

CLARK: We would e-mail constantly throughout the day, text message, talk on the phone.

Kat Clark was a student at the University of Phoenix in Long Beach, Calif.

At first, she had a great relationship with her enrollment counselor.

CLARK: We had barbecues and stuff together.

Scott: Did you feel that the friendship was genuine?

CLARK: Yeah, I don't really think it was like a genuine thing, I think it was more of a, this is my job and I'll do anything to make sure that I get paid.

Enrollment counselors do get paid based at least in part on how many students they sign up. And how long those students keep coming to class. That's legal, as long as pay isn't solely based on recruitment. The company says frequent contact with students is about supporting them.

Bill Pepicello is the university's president.

BILL PEPICELLO: Certainly we want the students to believe that we are acting in their best interests, but it's certainly not by developing personal relationships.

But another student told us a University of Phoenix counselor buttered up her grandmother.

Jewel Calderon lived in Fayetteville, N.C. She says the counselor told her he and grandma had what he called "church" over phone.

JEWEL CALDERON: He said he prayed with her over the phone, and he told her his mother was sick, and that they prayed about that. And he gained her trust, which made me gain his trust, and that's why I decided on that college as opposed to others.

Calderon ended up taking out close to $12,000 in government loans. When she and other students started having problems with the school, the
friendships they'd developed with counselors evaporate.

Brandon Burke lives in Portland, Ore.

Until last December, he worked as an enrollment counselor at the University of Phoenix. He says managers taught him and his colleagues a number of strategies to trick students into signing up. One ploy was to create a "sense of urgency."

BRANDON BURKE: One thing we would be told to do is call up a student who was on the fence and say, all right, I've only got one seat left. I need to know right now if you need me to save this for you. Well, that wasn't true.

In the training session, Burke says staff asked the manager what to do if that student showed up for class, and there were only six or seven people there.

BURKE: And the manager said, well you tell them that the class got so full that we had to split it.

Scott: So you were basically told to lie?

Burke: Yeah. We were told to lie.

Burke wasn't the only counselor we spoke to who says managers told them to lie. And we've learned Phoenix isn't the only for-profit school that's used these tactics. Brandon Burke says managers encouraged him to bend the truth in other ways, too.

BURKE: People would say you know I saw the CSI, and I want to do that.

CSI: I got three GSWs. One to the left kidney area, one to the left thigh.

Burke says he got frequent calls from fans of the popular TV show. He says supervisors told him to steer them to the criminal justice program. That might qualify them to work as prison guards. But not as forensic criminologists. But one of the biggest complaints students had was that counselors misled them about credits.

BURKE: One of the things that we were told to do was, you say we are regionally accredited, which means they're transferable anywhere, which isn't true. They're eligible for transferability.

In fact, it's up to each school to decide whose credits they accept. And in many cases, University of Phoenix credits don't transfer. Burke says he never misled students. He left the company in disgust. Two former counselors from another campus sued the university, claiming they were pressured to sign students up.

Last week, the company announced it expects to cough up more than $80 million to settle that case. But the University says it doesn't train its counselors to lie or to mislead students.

Harris Miller is CEO of the Career College Association, an industry lobby group. He chalks any wrongdoing up to a few rogue employees.

HARRIS MILLER: If these accusations are correct than the appropriate authorities should investigate them. And if it's true, then my response is hang 'em high.

Miller says higher education is a heavily regulated industry with oversight by federal and state authorities, as well as private accreditors.

MILLER: The fact of the matter is we're educating over two million students. And focusing on a few wild allegations, and a few documented instances of violations of the law, is not the way to describe the career college sector.

But the sector has been in trouble before. In the early 90s, the government cracked down on hundreds of for-profit trade schools for abusing student-aid programs.

Barmak Nassirian represents college admissions officers. He sees many of the same abuses today.

BARMAK NASSIRIAN: The M.O. has not changed over the years. We have one step at a time over the course of the past 15 years removed all of the provisions that together momentarily cleaned the system up.

Congress and the Department of Education are looking at the rules again. The Obama administration wants more people to go to college. Congress poured more than $15 billion in stimulus money into college grants. Advocates welcome the investment in higher ed. But they also want change.

They say without it, the system will continue to benefit for-profit companies more than the students they're supposed to help.

With Sharona Coutts of ProPublica, I'm Amy Scott for Marketplace.

About the author

Amy Scott is Marketplace’s education correspondent covering the K-12 and higher education beats, as well as general business and economic stories.

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G C - Nov 5, 2009

It is funny to me how people can say whatever they need to say as "former employees" when their lawyers tell them what gets the big bucks. I noticed you used the verbiage "bury them." If you expect me not to believe you are not biased then you are crazy or really bitter about life in general. Regarding students and staff defending the school...who else would you have do it since they are the only people who have had an experience to draw from? I think you made my point for me by saying that. The only people making commentary are people who have no idea what they are talking about and will believe anything they read. Maybe if you went to UOPX, you could learn to use spell check like all the other students and not spell disgruntled incorrectly.

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Katherine Hamilton - Nov 4, 2009

It's both terrifying and revealing how select respondents to rather scathing allegations either 1) hold a serious conflict of interest by either attending or teaching at University of Phoenix, and 2) irresponsibly minimize the practices revealed by former employees.

"...it is ultimately the consumer's responsibility to act in his best interests." This assumes that students are provided accurate and legally mandated information PRIOR to initiating coursework.

"A few disaffected students representing a mere sliver of the total student and graduate population, along with a couple of disaffected former employees, hardly a scandal make." And you're a Ph.D. from UOP...figures. The main issue contained in the allegations stem from UOP inside staff- trained in the skill of hunting down, trapping prospective students-lying to under/low educated individuals and families about aspects of UOP's programs. These aren't disgrundled students; these are paid staff.

Bury them; expand admissions and campuses at public institutions and redirect the loans and funding for underfunded public programs.

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Steve Smith - Nov 4, 2009

The truth is that all schools have a somewhat shady side to them. My wife went for a masters online at U of Phoenix and she had a good experience. I also think that many schools are threatened by their success. I went to a brick and mortar for my MBA and still think there is a value education online. Eventually, people will be more accepting of the degree and it will have more value with employers. Its too bad that bad things like this are coming to light however, but I am sure there are many other stories like this at other more respected schools as well. Education is a good thing and worth paying for. Also U of P also has brick and mortar schools. I think in general Marketplace is made up of elitist snobs. You should all just get your economics news from NPR's Planet Money. It has totally eclipsed market place which now means basically nothing to me.

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Tom Tjp - Nov 4, 2009

Thank you for delivering this important caution to prospective students and their parents. As the operator of a for-profit training school I am very sensitive to this issue and watch with horror the abusive practices of some for-profits. When the emphasis is on sales and "counselors" are rewarded with commissions it is almost inevitable that the interests of students will not be a concern of the counselors. Sales, not education, will be their prime mission. I don't pay my staff this way and any school that does should be viewed with suspicion. To prey on vulnerable students, misleading them to take on large debts is unconscionable. Just another example of profit-mad operating philosophies like the ones that brought about the sub-prime crisis.

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David Hatfield - Nov 4, 2009

This is a sad excuse for journalism, and you should be ashamed of yourselves for procuring and accepting it. University of Phoenix has had plenty of official government and unofficial public scrutiny, as well as a number of accreditation visits by established educators. Get all the facts and do the whole story, or don't do any of it at all!

For-profit universities make their money from their students. Without the money and the profits, there wouldn't be a university for the nearly 1/2 million students at UOP. Public universities make their money from the taxpayers - all of them. But public universities only let in students who have a good chance of graduating. UOP lets anyone take a shot at bettering themselves through a strong education. Funny how UOP has close to the same success rate with open admissions as public universities do with selective admissions.

I am a graduate of UOP's doctoral program, and I can tell you the curriculum was as rigorous as any of the other universities I attended over the years. I am also a faculty member at UOP and at a public university. The quality and standards are just as high at both universities, although UOP has more quality control of and more stringent standards for faculty than the public university.

A few disaffected students representing a mere sliver of the total student and graduate population, along with a couple of disaffected former employees, hardly a scandal make. I could find the same percentage of people to complain about any religion, public institution, or private corporation. It doesn't translate to the whole.

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Bill Taylor - Nov 4, 2009

Although it is regrettable this piece focuses solely on the University of Phoenix, I think that overall it will strengthen their enrollment practices. I am currently getting my MBA on-ground and have had only positive experiences with my enrollment, financial, and academic counselors. I believe that has been the case for the majority of students in my program. As with anything else, it is ultimately the consumer's responsibility to act in his best interests.

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