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An acclaimed Apple critic made up the details

Workers inspect motherboards on a factory line at the Foxconn plant in Shenzen, which was the subject of an retracted episode of the public radio show This American Life featuring the work of Mike Daisey.

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Cathy Lee (Chinese name: Li Guifen) was Mike Daisey’s translator during his trip to China to investigate factory conditions for his monologue “The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs.” Here, Lee returns to the front gates of the Foxconn factory in the city of Shenzhen to recount details from her original trip.

A protestor in a Steve Jobs mask takes part in a protest against Taiwanese technology giant Foxconn, which manufactures Apple products in China.

Clothes hang from the balconies of Foxconn campus during a rally in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen following a string of suicides at its Chinese factories turned a spotlight on working conditions.

Apple got a lot of attention recently over conditions in the Chinese factories that make its iPhones and iPads. The public radio show "This American Life" aired an electrifying account of one man’s visit to several factories. The man was Mike Daisey, a storyteller who is widely credited with making people think differently about how their Apple products are made.

It’s Daisey’s story about visiting a Foxconn factory in China where Apple manufactures iPhones and other products. With the help of a Chinese translator, Daisey finds underage workers, poisoned workers, maimed workers, and dismal factory conditions for those who make iPhones and iPads.

“I’m telling you that in my first two hours at my first day at that gate I met workers who were 14 years old…13 years old…12," Daisey recounted. "Do you really think Apple doesn’t know?”

Daisey told This American Life and numerous other news outlets that his account was all true.

But it wasn’t.

For the past year and a half, I’ve reported on Apple’s supply chain in China, where I work as Marketplace’s China Correspondent, based in Shanghai. When I heard Daisey’s story, certain details didn’t sound right. I tracked down Daisey’s Chinese translator to see for myself.

“My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your show as journalism. And it’s not journalism. It’s theater.” - Mike Daisey

For years, reporters in China have uncovered a sizable list of problems that have shown the dark side of what it’s like to work at factories that assemble Apple products. Mike Daisey would have you believe that he encountered—first-hand—some of the most egregious examples of this history all in just a six-day trip he took to the city of Shenzhen.

Take one example from his monologue—it takes place at a meeting he had with an illegal workers union. He meets a group of workers who’ve been poisoned by the neurotoxin N-Hexane while working on the iPhone assembly line: “…and all these people have been exposed,” he says. “Their hands shake uncontrollably. Most of them…can't even pick up a glass.”

Cathy Lee, Daisey’s translator in Shenzhen, was with Daisey at this meeting in Shenzhen. I met her in the exact place she took Daisey—the gates of Foxconn. So I asked her: “Did you meet people who fit this description?”

“No,” she said.

“So there was nobody who said they were poisoned by hexane?” I continued.

Lee’s answer was the same: “No. Nobody mentioned the Hexane.”

I pressed Cathy to confirm other key details that Daisey reported. Did the guards have guns when you came here with Mike Daisey? With each question I got the same answer from Lee. “No,” or “This is not true.”

Daisey claims he met underage workers at Foxconn. He says he talked to a man whose hand was twisted into a claw from making iPads. He describes visiting factory dorm rooms with beds stacked to the ceiling. But Cathy says none of this happened.

Last week, together with Ira Glass, the host of This American Life Host, I confronted Daisey in an interview. I brought up the workers he says he met who were poisoned by N-hexane. I tell him what Cathy said.

Rob Schmitz: Cathy says you did not talk to workers who were poisoned with hexane.

Mike Daisey: That’s correct.

RS: So you lied about that? That wasn’t what you saw?

MD: I wouldn’t express it that way.

RS: How would you express it?

MD: I would say that I wanted to tell a story that captured the totality of my trip.

Ira Glass: Did you meet workers like that? Or did you just read about the issue?

MD: I met workers in, um, Hong Kong, going to Apple protests who had not been poisoned by hexane but had known people who had been, and it was a constant conversation among those workers.

IG: So you didn’t meet an actual worker who’d been poisoned by hexane.

MD: That’s correct.

Daisey apologized to Ira Glass for not telling the truth to him and his listeners.

“Look. I’m not going to say that I didn’t take a few shortcuts in my passion to be heard. But I stand behind the work,” Daisey said. “My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your show as journalism. And it’s not journalism. It’s theater.”


This American Life Retracts the Story: This American Life devoted this weekend's episode to a retraction of "Mr. Daisey and the Apple Factory." Listen to the full episode.


This American Life wasn’t the only journalistic outlet for Daisey. For the past year, he’s been in the news constantly: newspaper articles, op-eds, magazine profiles, online news sites. He’s made numerous television appearances—CNN, C-SPAN, Bill Maher. And he usually says things like this, from an appearance on MSNBC a month ago:



What makes this a little complicated is that the things Daisey lied about seeing are things that have actually happened in China: Workers making Apple products have been poisoned by Hexane. Apple’s own audits show (PDF) the company has caught underage workers at a handful of its suppliers. These things are rare, but together, they form an easy-to-understand narrative about Apple.

“People like a very simple narrative,” said Adam Minter, a columnist for Bloomberg who’s spent years visiting more than 150 Chinese factories. He’s writing a book about the scrap recycling industry.

He says the reality of factory conditions in China is complicated—working at Foxconn can be grueling, but most workers will tell you they’re happy to have the job. He says Daisey’s become a media darling because he’s used an emotional performance to focus on a much simpler message:

“Foxconn bad. iPhone bad. Sign a petition. Now you’re good,” Minter says. “That’s a great simple message and it’s going to resonate with a public radio listener. It’s going to resonate with the New York Times reader. And I think that’s one of the reasons he’s had so much traction.”

And Minter says the fact that Daisey has not told the truth to people about what he saw in China won’t have much of an impact on how the public sees this issue.

And Apple will continue to try to clean up its image. The company’s hired an independent auditor to inspect its suppliers throughout China. Charles Duhigg is a New York Times reporter who helped write an investigative series on Apple’s supply chain. He told us that it may be hard to track whether conditions are improving because Apple hasn’t yet released data that can be compared on a year-by-year basis.

“My understanding is that Apple has said that they are going to begin releasing essentially granular data, and so we're looking for that to test the claims that things are improving as a result of Apple going in and demanding changes,” Duhigg said.

And if Apple does become more transparent about its supply chain, that’ll mean one step towards better working conditions, something Mike Daisey has been fighting for all along.

Listen to the full episode of Marketplace from Friday, March 16, to hear the report with an introduction from Kai Ryssdal.

About the author

Rob Schmitz is Marketplace’s China correspondent in Shanghai.

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JustBobF's picture
JustBobF - Mar 17, 2012

So Mike Daisey is a liar. That pretty much discredits. He should be fight for his job right now, I am afraid. This is as bad as plagiarism. Not only did he lie on This American Life; but, as your podcast showed through the clips of other news shows, he has lied repeatedly on news broadcasts. This is unforgivable.

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LangstonA - Mar 17, 2012

When Ira Glass said "A couple weeks ago I saw this one-man show where this guy did something on stage I thought was really kind of amazing. He took this fact that we all already know, right, this fact that our stuff is made overseas in maybe not the greatest working conditions, and he made the audience actually feel something about that fact. Which is really quite a trick. You really have to know how to tell a story to be able to pull something like that off." I assume that they saw A THEATRICAL EXPERIENCE a la Spaulding Gray in which theatricality, and not fact, is the main attraction. I did not assume that Ira went to some sort of academic or journalist symposium where fact is paramount because Ira did not present Mike Daisy's story that way in his opening.

But the content itself led me to believe that part of it had to be made up. I mean, China is a Communist country. The government exerts pressure on citizens who speak out in ways that make the country "look bad". With this in mind I thought "Oh, this guy has to be making up some of the places/people because if everything he said was factually based he would be endangering the people with whom he had spoken by revealing them." I've heard that foreigners are watched closely in China by secret police who follow them and who report on every Chinese citizen who speaks with the foreigner. So I figured that scene in the cafe meeting with blackballed workers had to be kind of made up or else all those workers would be in a reeducation camp when Daisy's story got national attention.

This American Life does not owe me an apology because I don't feel duped at all. Nothing Ira said in the intro to this story led me to believe Mike Daisy was presenting himself as a journalist or an academic. Mike Daisy presentation itself made me think of Spaulding Gray, not Bill Moyers.

In fact, I owe This American Life ANOTHER thank you for making me aware of issues about which I was not educated. According to the Marketplace reporter the things Daisy reports did actually happen, just not the way Daisy reported them. Well, I did not know anything about what Daisy was reporting before TAL introduced me to Daisy's story so now I am way more informed than I was before. So no apology needed TAL.

In addition, I am suspicious of anything the translator says at this point. Who knows what pressure has been exerted on her by the Chinese government since Daisy's story got national attention. I thought his reason for trying to keep her from being contacted was specifically to keep her from getting in trouble with Chinese authorities.

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bobloza - Mar 18, 2012

No offense, but the story by Mike Daisy was, in fact, an absolutely complete fiction. The stories that you say "happened somewhere else" did not in fact happen, as related in Ira's fuzzy retraction show. If you have a legitimate beef against Chinese factory conditions, make sure you include ALL manufacturers, not just the EVIL APPLE. If not, I can only assume that you want to protect your Android's or other PC product's reputation, or at least that you have already thrown your iPad and iPhone into the trash, never to be used again.

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klashby - Mar 17, 2012

Your views on what life are like in China are seriously flawed. I have been traveling to China frequently on business for many years. Secret police do not follow me around and question every one I speak to. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of foreigners traveling about China visiting factories, going to trade shows, or as tourists. The idea that each of them are assigned a secret police detail is rather ridiculous. It is true that the government there is excessively paranoid toward dissent but let's not make things up - after all that is what Mike Daisy did and it discredits everything else he says that may in fact be true. I will say that I have a friend who's sister in law works in the Shenzhen Foxconn plant. Her report is that it is a factory, life there is hard - but it is a good job, a desirable job that she is happy to have. Foxconn is a very desirable place to work, they have no trouble hiring workers and they do not need to use underage workers.
Oh - and another point about the reliability of the translator - she provided e-mail documentation to the market place reporter proving that her assertions are true and not Mr. Daisies.

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jeffyb - Mar 17, 2012

What troubles me most about this story is not even the fact that this fool lied and tarnished the name of a very respectable company & it's products for his own personal satisfaction, but that left-leaning media outlets like NPR and APM are only too happy to give voice to anyone who helps fulfill their socialist fantasies. I listen to Marketplace regularly and have respect for your show, but when you stick guys like this, or Robert Reich on the air -- people who are only too glad to twist or ignore the truth (or their own role in the lie) -- to sell books, get attention, etc. then you are part of the problem -- not the solution. BTW, I would be just as upset if you did the same for some ultra-right looney like Santorum or Limbaugh. I expect to hear balanced, researched, intelligent stories on Marketplace --- not a bunch of pro-union, screw accountability drivel. I give you kudos for admitting your mistake here, but maybe next time why not think about the biases you are starting with, before you air a piece like this. Thank you.

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PatienceaPie - Mar 19, 2012

I have never heard a lie from Robert Reich. Examples??

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bobloza - Mar 18, 2012

I'm a true open-minded Liberal, and I agree. (except about Robert Reich lying)

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JustBobF - Mar 17, 2012

Jeff, I don't think Robert Reich lies at all; though you may not like what he has to say, just like I usually do not agree with the interpretations from David Frum (sp?). But, Mike Daisy seems proven to be a liar.

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librariesrock - Mar 16, 2012

This is not the first time TAL has made this mistake. The show made a similar mistake in an interview with Stephen Glass.

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deckhand - Mar 17, 2012

Oh great.
Here we go again... another great misrepresentation that does nothing to help advance the cause but gets diverted by the distractions of a liar.

I'm reminded of the hooplah following the CBS / 60 Minutes exposé of George Bush's faux National Guard service and a discredited "memo" that was Dan Rather's undoing. Once the "scandal" broke, the conversation was cleverly re-directed from the real story, Bush's non-service (which was never in doubt), to the "memo" (which was.)

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