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529 college funds dropping fast

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TEXT OF INTERVIEW

TESS VIGELAND: Changes to student loans aren't the only issue facing incoming college students. Those with money set aside in state-sponsored education plans have watched their returns wither almost as fast as 401(k)s. They're called 529s and are offered by all 50 states. The College Savings Foundation says assets in those plans dropped 21% in the fourth quarter of last year. That's causing a whole new round of scrutiny for a savings program that's gotten mad props since its debut in 1997. Bill Parish is a financial planner based in Portland, Ore. Bill, your initial opinion?

Bill Parish: It's a terrific program. What's unique though is that every state has a different program. So it can be confusing, because when this law was set up, there was no SEC oversight provided. So basically the oversight falls to the individual states, and then it becomes a political process -- there's a bidding process in each state.

VIGELAND: A bidding process for which mutual fund plan, say, you're going to hire?

Parish: Right. So, for instance, in Oregon, Vanguard might be competing with Oppenheimer. And then who ever is in charge in the state chooses the vendor, basically.

VIGELAND: But how are you supposed to sift through the various states and their plans? Is there anything that helps you with comparing and contrasting?

Parish: No, to be perfectly honest with you, because it's somewhat of a shell game. For instance, here in Oregon we have Oppenheimer, and they give it a certain name. But in Illinois, it's the same plan but with a different name. It basically needs regulatory oversight by the Securities and Exchange Commission, and the most simple thing would be just accurately communicate the returns. But, you know, the good news is, there are 50 plans out there. You know, what I'd say to any person out there concerned about college savings plans -- two great choices. Go to Vanguard.com and choose Vanguard or go to TDAmeritrade. They're both terrific choices. Forget your own state.

VIGELAND: OK. And we should make a note that you are not in any way paid by them.

Parish: No. I've never accepted a penny from any investment company. I'm an SEC registered investment advisor and I will definitively say that the two best are Vanguard and TDAmeritrade.

VIGELAND: Let me ask you about two other factors that are involved in the 529 plan that I think make it all so confusing for people. One of which is that in many, or perhaps all of them, there are real restrictions on when you can go in and make adjustments to the plan. And then second of all, there are tax considerations in some of these states, correct?

Parish: Yes. The restrictions basically -- you can move your account, just like you move an IRA, up to one time a year. In terms of the actual investment choices, the mix, you can change that once a year also. And frankly, I think once a year should be fine. The second part of your question -- the tax thing is completely overblown. For instance, here in Oregon you get a tax deduction for state purposes only, up to $2,000.

VIGELAND: If you're in the Oregon plan?

Parish: Right. If you're in the Oregon plan. And most states are this way. OK, so if you're in the maximum tax bracket, it's a benefit to you of $180. But ask yourself, is it really worth taking that benefit of $180 and getting stuck with a bad Oregon plan? If I could give one common sense recommendation, I'd just say, forget about the tax deduction all together. Just go for a high quality plan.

VIGELAND: And I wanted to ask you one final questions about kind of the behavior of 529 investors. It does seem that, at least from, you know, the folks who have written into the program, you know, they talk about how they really felt that they had to take a lot of risk and really be very aggressive in their investments. Because if you look down the line, you know, 20 years from now you may be looking at a college education bill of $100,000, $200,000. And there's no way you're going to get there unless you take a lot of risk. And I think that's where some folks have run into trouble in this market. Any advice for them?

Parish: What I would say to all those folks is, it's important to save. And you get earnings from your investment, that's true. But I think the beautiful word they're missing is balance. Why not have 60 percent of the assets in high quality fixed income and 40 percent in equities? The reason people are out of balance, the real inside story, is that the investment industry makes about three times, in general, in fees on anything you're in that's stock-based verses fixed income.

VIGELAND: So the mantra, just like every other investment vehicle, is diversification.

Parish: Right. Investment's a beautiful thing. I mean, you got to do something. Imagine contributing 20 years to one of these plans and your kid doesn't go to college, they've got a great start in life. They get all those assets. Now, they'll be taxed at their tax bracket, but during that entire 20 years, all the income you earn from the fixed income, maybe some equity gains, it's all tax deferred. It's a terrific vehicle.

VIGELAND: Bill Parish is a financial planner based in Portland, Ore. Thanks so much.

Parish: Thanks for having me.

Rellen Martin's picture
Rellen Martin - Apr 3, 2009

What are the options for funds invested for a child in a 529 plan who decides not to attend college?

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Kent Phelps - Mar 31, 2009

Here in NC one of the options in the state plan are several Vanguard Funds including those that you mention. What would be the downside of going through my state fund - getting the tax deduction AND being able to invest in a Vanguard?

(ps For the record I am a big fan of John Bogle :-)

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Bill Parish - Mar 28, 2009

Hello Tess, thanks again for having me as your guest. I've received a few emails and would like to post a response here.

The best way to compare plans is to go right to the individual investment funds offered. Stay away from the "no muss no fuss" choices like age weighted, conservative, aggressive, etc.

Instead choose "specific funds" with clear objectives and low cost. For example, the TD Ameritrade plan offers high quality Vanguard index funds, not just stock funds but also short term indexed bond, etc. Indexed bond funds are a great choice for these 529 plans because you don't have to worry about the manager speculating on market trends.

Any parent should be able to allocate balances between the following: Vanguard(VG) Money Market, VG ST Index Bond, VG Inter Term Index Bond, VG S&P 500 Equity Index and VG International Index Equity.

If you want to be conservative overweight the bond funds, just stay away from long term bond funds, would be my advice.

Also recognize that most of these plans don't have extra fees and by using this indexing approach you get a direct low cost approach. I certainly won't win any popularity contests with TD since I am basically showing you how to optimize your approach and minimize their fees.

The key again is not being sold the bells and whistles, i.e age weighted portfolio, in which you never will really know what they contain. Here in Oregon, and in Illinois, many parents thought they were in a conservative Oppenheimer bond fund only to see the fund decline almost 40 percent in 2008. This won't happen with indexed fixed income funds, i.e. the top quality Vanguard funds TD Ameritrade offers.

Question, why TD Ameritrade and not direct to Vanguard. A few reasons include TD's national branch system and also the notion that in addition to offering good VG funds they also offer various others and this can be appealing to certain investors.

Whatever you do, make sure the underlying funds in the plan are all Vanguard, allocate in a balanced fashion between bond and equity and you should do fine.

If very risk averse, you could allocate 100 percent to the Vanguard indexed short term bond fund. Remember, part of the game is simply setting the assets aside and dedicating them for college. In addition, once in a 529 plan these assets are protected from creditors and for some that can be important.

Good luck.

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Helmut Meixner - Mar 28, 2009

It seems to me that one of the downsides of 529 Plans is that investment losses are not tax deductable. I certainly did not understand that when I signed up for my 529 Plan.