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Much ado about TARP profits

Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) listen to questions from reporters after a meeting on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.

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Kai Ryssdal: Alisa mentioned that one of the drags on profits for Morgan Stanley was the cost of repaying TARP money. And it was, but there is more to it than just that. In addition to the billions in cash that Morgan and the other banks got and had to pay back, they also had to give the government stock warrants. Options, essentially, to buy company stock at a pre-determined price. Those warrant prices were way lower that what most bank shares are trading at now. Earlier today Goldman Sachs bought its warrants back from the Treasury Department. Cost 'em about a billion-and-a-half-dollars. For those of you keeping track at home, when you add up the interest on Goldman's $10 billion bailout, plus buying back the warrants, taxpayers got a 23 percent annualized rate of return. Marketplace's Steve Henn explains that presents Congress with an unexpected dilemma: What to do with the money.


STEVE HENN: OK, so not all of the Treasury's TARP investments are doing as well as Goldman Sachs but out of the banks that have paid us back, Treasury's already cleared close to $8 billion in profit.

JAMES Chessen: Taxpayers are getting a great return. It's over 12 percent.

James Chessen is the chief economist at the American Bankers Association. He admits that kind of return on investment might not hold up over the long haul but...

Chessen: This is a big success for the government.

Chessen says by passing the bailout last fall, Congress stabilized the markets and made some serious money doing it. But now politicians in Washington have a new problem. How should they spend their windfall?

BARNEY Frank: We are going to see more foreclosures because people have lost their jobs.

Barney Frank is the Democratic chair of the House Financial Services Committee.

Frank: I think a good use of the TARP money here -- the dividends and interest and warrants -- would be to lend people money until they get their jobs back. These would literally be loans not grants.

Frank would also like to spend a few billion allowing cities to buy and rehab derelict properties and make investments in affordable rental housing. But Congressman Spencer Bachus, an Alabama Republican, is skeptical.

SPENCER Bachus: Those proposals have a human side. You know there are a lot of people in foreclosure. There is a lot of abandoned property. But Chairman Bernanke came before us yesterday and said our spending is unsustainable.

And Bachus says with the national debt already above $11.6 trillion, any profits from the banking bailout have really already been spent.

In Washington, I'm Steve Henn for Marketplace.

About the author

Steve Henn was Marketplace’s technology and innovation reporter for the entire portfolio of Marketplace programs until December 2011.
David Rigby's picture
David Rigby - Jul 23, 2009

Spend it! Are you insane?
98% of today's economic mess is directly related to deficit spending! The last comment in the story is correct: it has already been spent.

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David Kurland - Jul 22, 2009

While well-spoken, today's speaker on your program suggesting the current TARP "bailout" was perfect shows all too dramatically what is wrong with us as a people.
I too am a capitalist... a real one who puts HIS money, time and reputation at the front of the line...always. I was a very successful securities analyst, a devotee of Wall Street who learned how to count in 1/16's on my grandfather's knee, I all too well, understand how these tight-tied, "AKing" rising intellectuals... who work for the Masters of the Universe's tax deductible "foundations" "think tanks" sell their rot. (I hope IBM does not get angry using that word "THINK" to describe these whores. They would not know how to do that.)

A bit angry, quite disappointed, non political but experienced, right (as in correct) and hopeful, I am those things.

The SBA and its management program of loans and advice from retirees and using weekly meetings, local community banks is THE answer.

Just yesterday I was at the desk of a Chase Bank branch ("New to California but not to banking." It is up to my knees!). David Rockefeller is turning in his grave. While clean cut, ambitious, the loan officer and the new business executrix know as much about creating, running operating a business as any 3 month into it, business major at the local junior college, and know nothing about risk management. If it is not on the NYC created check list, best not dare to ask, explore and learn.

I would pray that the President would go around Tim, Larry and Ben. They represent large donations to election campaigns true, but America is changing slightly and this President is a figure to love all by himself. Mom said God helps those who help themselves so praying isn't going to do much good.

Well, loans directed by SBA's graduates and offered through local community banks will create an immediate stimulus. My banker knows me in Rotary weekly, at the Club, (golf and lead), and in Church too. (There is God again.) Defense of my reputation would have me sell body parts first rather than loose face in my community. This would be true of most of us who create jobs.

The old A M E R I C A exists on the other side of the Hudson and if you could only quarantine it, Benton AK is not America either.
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Harry Waddington - Jul 22, 2009

"Profits" from TARP funds? HA! - Wait till it is all said and done and there won't be any. Let's see - Uncle Sugar gives money to AIG which then gives it to Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs then shows a profit and repays THEIR TARP funds. Wow, that wasn't too hard. Now, take off all the fees, charges, bonuses, fees for Park Avenue lawyers, et cetera and Uncle Sugar will NOT come out ahead. What a ridiculous idea to even dream they might.