35

Hispanics leave AZ over immigrant law

A yard sale shows the possessions for sale of four Hispanic families who are moving out of Arizona.

To view this content, Javascript must be enabled and Adobe Flash Player must be installed.

Get Adobe Flash player

Leticia Munoz with her 8-year old daughter at the school they'll leave behind when they move from Phoenix.

The U.S. Conference of Mayors meets today in Oklahoma City, Okla. They spent part of their morning, though, talking about Arizona. The mayors went on the record against Arizona's new immigration law that's set to go into effect at the end of next month. The one that makes it makes a crime to be in that state without the right papers. The mayors also want Washington to get its act together on federal immigration reform, so that state laws aren't necessary anymore. Some illegal immigrants in Arizona aren't waiting around.


By Jeff Tyler

All over Phoenix, you'll find yard sales, like this one -- Silvia Arias sells the possessions of four Hispanic families. They're undocumented, so they're moving some place else.

"Some are returning to Mexico," Arias said. "Some are moving to Albuquerque."

The new law -- requiring police to verify the legal status of immigrants -- has created a climate of fear.

"Everyone is migrating to other states to see if we can find a better life for our children," she said.

Leticia Munoz also wants a better life for her kids. She's been in the U.S. for 10 years. Now, she's planning to move her family back to Mexico.

"There really are no jobs there," Munoz said. "I don't want to go back. I have three children. But, these new laws really scare me."

She used to earn around $400 a month babysitting the children of other immigrants. But over the last year-and-a-half, Arizona has cracked down on businesses that employ undocumented workers. Many immigrants have lost their jobs, and they no longer need a babysitter. Leticia is down to making $90 dollars a month -- not enough to live on.

When she leaves, she'll pull her 8-year-old daughter out of school. It's a pattern that's creating chaos for the school district.

Impact on schools

"In the last five weeks, we're down about almost 100 students," said Jeffrey Smith, superintendent of the Balsz Elementary School District.

He says the state reimburses the district about $5,000 per child.

"The hundred students that we've lost translate into, I believe, a half-a-million dollars," he said.

The school year ended last Friday. During the summer break, more students are expected to leave town. If the district loses too much funding, it could be forced to cut teachers. Smith's also concerned about how the exodus will impact surrounding neighborhoods.

"It can blight a community," the superintendent said. "So you have apartments that are less and less full. Businesses close down. So we're very concerned about what effect this will have on the economy in this area."

But isn't the economic impact offset by the money taxpayers will save on social services? Probably not.

Judy Gans studies the economics of immigration at the University of Arizona. She says the state doesn't have a surplus of young, low-skilled workers. So, if Arizona kicks out all the illegal immigrants, and replaces them with Americans from other states, taxpayers will still have to subside the low-skilled workers.

"Any low-skilled worker generally is going to pay less in taxes than they consume in social services," Gans said.

Before the recession, Gans says immigrant labor helped fuel growth in construction, manufacturing and the hotel industry.

"One needs to be really careful about sort of thinking we can parse this and get rid of certain categories of workers without hurting the whole industry," she said.

Impact on businesses

The music is still upbeat at this strip mall in an immigrant neighborhood, but businesses here are suffering because so many Hispanics have left town. Francisco Noriega works at a jewelry store.

"People are afraid to go out now, you know what I mean? They don't want to spend money in case of an emergency," he said.

Noriega estimates his business has gone down about 70-80 percent.

Noriega is a U.S. citizen. The departure of his customers -- many of whom are undocumented -- could cost him his job.

"It's affecting every single one of us, really, a lot," he said.

And it's expected to get worse for local businesses next month. During a recent coffee talk at an elementary school, a group of 40 undocumented parents were asked, "How many of you will leave town if the law goes into effect at the end of July?" They all raised their hands.

About the author

Jeff Tyler is a reporter for Marketplace’s Los Angeles bureau, where he reports on issues related to immigration and Latin America.

Pages

Jennifer Littrell's picture
Jennifer Littrell - Jun 15, 2010

You failed to mention that while they are leaving AZ they are resettling in other states where the laws targeted towards illegal immigrants are less drastic! http://www.civiltalks.com

Vincent Johnson's picture
Vincent Johnson - Jun 14, 2010

The simple fact is, had the US government enforced or changed border policy & more importantly laws against businesses employing people illegally, there wouldn't be a debate about what to do right now. End of Story.

Susan Oates's picture
Susan Oates - Jun 14, 2010

At least the low-income wage earners coming to Arizona from other states to take the jobs left by illegal aliens will be American citizens.

Neat User's picture
Neat User - Jun 14, 2010

Dude, this story was so one sided. I usually appreciate NPR for it's thorough reporting, unfortunately it was not in this story. Regarding the school would loose $5,000 per child, how about the taxpayers would save $5,000 per illegal immigrant child? That's a win in my books. Jeff cites the lost of jobs and impact to the local economy, did he consider the long term affect of this? I wonder what AZ would look like in a year or two, once the number of illegals have been trimmed.

John Carroll's picture
John Carroll - Jun 14, 2010

I suspect that many of the people leaving comments have little contact with people from Mexico who are living here illegally. I work at a health clinic that provides services to many of them in Milwaukee. They are overwhelmingly a group of hard-working people with strong family and religious values that most of us would appreciate. They would like nothing more than to achieve a legal status, to pay taxes and to eventually become citizens. I think that adding such groups to our citizenry has, over time, strengthened our nation. Many of us are here because our grandparents and great grandparents were allowed to become Americans, though they were often vilified by groups that had preceeded them.

Mark Larwill's picture
Mark Larwill - Jun 14, 2010

This story is shamefully biased. I support people trying to get a better life, but little evidence is given to show the economic impact one way or another on the economy as a whole. While a few sad cases are shown, no hard data on the cost of benefit programs for immigrants (both legal & illegal) is given. I am left confused as to the effect of illegal immigration on the economy as a whole.

J Ringer's picture
J Ringer - Jun 14, 2010

Every state is a border state. Next they will be headed to the Northwest to live off our welfare system and expand our public schools. Why do I have to pay for an illegal person (Chinese, Iraqi, Guatemalan or any other nationality) and their children to live well here? They drive much newer cars than me, never have car insurance, and often no driver's license. They use but do not pay for the medical, social and educational services they and their kids receive.

John DeFilippo's picture
John DeFilippo - Jun 14, 2010

On June 14, 2010, Jeff Tyler (Marketplace) did a show on the bad effects that Arizona would have because of the “undocumented” people leaving the state and going to other states or back to Mexico. First, I normally think NPR does a very good job of balanced reporting and this report this did not fit that description. Second, was Jeff talking about people that did not have their documents or were they illegal. I would guess “illegal” and Jeff was mincing words. He talked about how a school district got $5,000 from the state for each illegal child who left school. He made it sound bad, and did not mention the state taxpayers who saved that $5,000. He interviewed a woman with 3 kids, who made $900/mo babysitting. Do you think she paid $15,000 in taxes to educate her 3 kids? Jeff did not discuss this. All in all, he made the point that losing these “undocumented” workers would be bad for Arizona. So that would lead us to believe that the lucky states that got them should be thankful. I guess we could also infer that we should be encouraging more people to enter illegally- maybe go to Jeff’s hometown and to his schools. Obviously, this does not make any sense. Ask the millions of people who have had their jobs taken by illegals and salaries slashed- i.e. meat packers. Jeff really should have done a more complete and balanced job on this important subject.

Dave Francis's picture
Dave Francis - Jun 14, 2010

GO! Pack up and leave Arizona? Why not go to the--SANCTUARY STATE--of California. They have a crippled economy, soaked and taxpayers put out to dry. Even now illegal immigrants are bleeding the state of every welfare benefit and many the public are not aware of? The Liberal Democrats in Sacramento have freely given out, to any desperate illegal pauper. The liberal newspapers have been hiding the truth about the invasion for years, but the Arizona issue has brought it to a head--AND THIS TIME NO AMOUNT OF LIES, CAN HID THE UGLY TRUTH? The fact is the blame must be placed at the feet of the US government for decades. Even they are not completely to blame?

Corporate welfare is a main factor in the occupancy of the estimated 20 to 30 million illegal alien families? Do American taxpayers understand that they are paying for the health care, education, food stamps, low income housing and a hundred other undisclosed programs essentially for illegal immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers. That business owners who hire illegal workers should be made to pay for their medical care, education for their children instead of dumping these welfare services being dumped on taxpayers.

Al Hutcheson's picture
Al Hutcheson - Jun 14, 2010

@ Keenan: Actually, illegal immigrants are a net-benefit to social security rather than, as you state, "stealing" it. They pay in with payroll taxes but most never take out benefits on the other side: http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm.

Pages