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How will Great Recession shape youth?

Commentator David Frum.

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BOB MOON: Military recruiters might be able to find a silver lining, of sorts in high unemployment among the young. On the other hand, commentator David Frum sees a gray cloud.


DAVID FRUM: If you are over 30, be grateful. Tough as this recession is for you, it is much, much worse for those who are younger, and toughest of all for the youngest people looking for work. Half the young people 16 to 24 now looking for a job cannot find one.

It will take many quarters of economic recovery before all of these young people find work.

The generation that endured the Great Depression was shaped by it. They craved the security of lifetime employment at a giant company. They felt little patience for the next generation when it began to demand creativity and self-expression at work.

Will this Great Recession have an equal cultural effect? In the booming 1990s we celebrated entrepreneurship and risk-taking. What will we celebrate in the recession-scarred 2010s?

Here's a suggestion: a grand national focus on the skill level of the population.

Remember, many of the most-employable young Americans aren't in the workforce at all. They are attending college.

It's the least-skilled two-thirds of the youth population who are so unsuccessfully searching for work now. And there's a lot of evidence that the skill levels of the bottom two-thirds of the American workforce are deteriorating.

Immigration policies that accept huge numbers of less-skilled workers, bad schools that fail to teach the children of those immigrants what they need to know, and very high dropout rates among the children of immigrants -- these are the trends that led the Educational Testing Service to issue a warning: the American work force of 2025 will be less literate and less skilled than the American work force of 1995.

And this time there will be many fewer of the steady, if dull, jobs that provided security to the post-Depression generation: the blue-collar job on the assembly line, the clerical data-processing job. Life for people with fewer skills is becoming a lot harder and scarier at a time when there are soon to be a lot more of them.

MOON: David Frum is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

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Yvette Martinez - Jun 23, 2011

How will Great recession shape youth?

That is really a good question for it will leave this generation less hope and the unemployment rate will surely ski-rocket! It is truely a hardship that can overwhelming efects on the youths of today and forth coming generation. There are so many programs that spend millions of dollars to family that did not need them but take advantage of the program because there know the way around the systems and it is sad because it is putting this country further into DEBT!!! There might not be any services left to help the next generation nor social security income. This will effect the youths of today.

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Brenan Dwyer - Oct 21, 2009

I agree that its ridiculous to blame this problem on immigrants and their children. Yes, of course, this country needs to educate all its residents, that's right, residents, not just citizens, to be contributing members of society. But the unemployment rate among young people is a larger issue of the establishment of corporate America being unwilling to change the way they do business.

I am 23. I just graduated in May from Occidental College in Los Angeles, Summa Cum Laude, with an impressive set of awards and honors. I can't find a job. I'm working as a temp Production Assistant for a commercial production company-- I was hired by a friend as a favor. I was turned away by a normal temporary office worker's agency because I "wasn't qualified." Many of my friends under 26 have been fired from jobs they've held for a few years and counted on having a future with. I'm talking about my sister, an educator, my friend Matt who is a civil engineer, my friend Peter who is a consultant on sustainable architecture, my friend Karen, a writer. How will companies survive if they don't take part of the burden for training new, young and eager members of the work force? We all want to work, we all want to contribute. But we can't do it on our own, and we can't afford to wait until 2011 to stop living in debt and off of our parent's retirement funds. Our business society must be restructured to incorporate a diverse workforce of ages, races, genders and any other category you can think of-- because if our ways of doing business don't change, this will all happen again to my children.

Oh, and aside from trying to find a job, I'm also trying to be an actor. And yes, I do believe that's a valuable social and political tool that I will use to enact change in our nation. And no, I won't put it aside to just find a job that will fit into the system. All of us young people have dreams-- artistic, entrepreneurial, corporate, diplomatic, global, local... and there should be a way, there has to be a way, for us to make this happen. Us meaning the educational system, the government, the corporate and business world, our parents, our selves.

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Mayo Van Dyck - Oct 16, 2009

Skills are a problem for the next generations but so is work ethic. No manager or boss expects an employ to work at 110% for 8 hours everyday. However maybe from when I was Union I often look back on my work day and ask myself did I do 8 hours worth of work. Did I give my employer what he expected from me. I might not have finished everything or solved every problem. The question the next generations should be asking is, did I do everything that could have been done. Did I use my time effectively? I find that some people are glad the first month they are hired to have a job. Then slowly they change their way of thinking. They start thinking their employer should be glad they showed up. Why people think they are entitled to more than their pay or salary I do not understand. This is larger problem for our future work force than even skills.

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Peter Collins - Oct 15, 2009

Great! Frum and his neocon allies are ready to support funding college grants, job training programs and labor unions that help ensure decent pay? It's about time!

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alex schellenger - Oct 15, 2009

As a long time tradesperson, I see this as epidemic. We have to teach our new hires to operate screwdrivers. and tie down pipes and ladders with rope. We learned these things from our dad's, boy scouts, or in the driveway under a hood of a car. The "how things work, and why things work" concept. Or as I explain it sometimes sarcasticly, "General Electric or Rigid tool invented this a long time ago", we use it every day on our jobs, and you need to know how to use it.

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Veronica Smith - Oct 14, 2009

Please, no more David Frum and his conservative racist propaganda. I'm a regular listener of NPR so I won't have to listen to the David Frum's of conservative media on my airwaves.

His recent commentary attacked the new immigrant population when he himself is a Canadian immigrant who just recently became naturalized in 2007. Frum was also a former speech writer for Bush. And the American Enterprise Institute where he is a fellow is a conservative think tank that has shaped much of Bush's public policies. So, evidently, David Frum is confused and has a bias.

Also, since when does college-educated translate into skilled? I am college educated, but in my work experience have found that some of the most valuable people at work are those who didn't attend college and have learned everything on the job. They have more real-world experience than any recent college grad and know how to get the job done. Even those who have attended college often change careers without having to return to school. So add classist to the list of issues I have with David Frum.

NOTE: I'm biracial, educated (aren't we all), and have been working as an art director after leaving my public relations job 10 years ago. I got hired based on my portfolio not because I graduated with a degree in graphic design. I have Mayan ancestors and ancestors who were traced back to the Mayflower and the American Revolution. I am proud of my dual ancestry and can't imagine how I could have existed if racist policies like those endorsed by David Frum were in our Constitution.

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Jackie Rose - Oct 14, 2009

While I do feel badly for the millions of jobless college grads who are stuck in this recession, I feel worse for Gen X. You know, the gen that inherited the boomer's work ethic, only to be eclipsed by Gen Y, who don't want to work up the ladder like Gen Xers did. Right now a whole lot of us Gen Xers are just starting families, buying houses (many of us at the top of the market), and planning futures with our expected promotions after years of working from the ground up. Our long hours and low wages were supposed to yield security and confirm our loyalty. Who do you think will be replaced first when the hiring starts again? The experienced Gen Xer who commands a higher salary and comes with a family, or the young and ambitious Gen Yers who the Boomers will have pity on? Remember: Gen Xers don't have the luxury of crawling back to mom and dad's basement.

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Gregg Hodgson - Oct 14, 2009

Once again, David Frum has tucked a poisonous Right Wing propaganda pill inside an ostensibly "objective" commentary. Was I the only listener who noticed that in bemoaning (correctly) the poor skills of today's underclass youth, he placed ALL the blame on immigrants and their children?

Any teacher or professor in America will tell you that the skill-levels of ALL children they see--the vast majority of whom are white and native-born--have plunged dismally in recent decades.

I agree that it's a serious problem, but immigrant children are hardly its cause. More likely, in my opinion, is the social environment that has been largely created by Mr. Frum's crowd. Their propaganda pills (such as that increasing shareholder profits should be the sole goal of business institutions, that any parent can teach better than a trained educator, and that all schools should be privatized) have been swallowed by too many Americans. The policies of employers who've bought those destructive beliefs have forced workers' wages to decline steadily against the cost of living for the past three decades, forcing both parents to work and leaving kids with scant support or discipline at home. Meanwhile, people like Mr. Frum have raged against teachers serving "in loco parentis" (in place of parents), thus cutting kids off from their final hope of any adult discipline or support whatsoever.

What ye sow, so shall ye reap. I just wish Mr. Frum and his fellow defenders of corporate interests would be honest enough to accept the blame for the damage they've done to our nation, our families, and our kids, instead of pointing the finger at yet another population of dark-skinned scapegoats.

NOTE: I'm white, educated, a former bank executive, longtime business-owner and consultant, and was born of ancestors who arrived here 15 years after the Mayflower.

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James A Keddie - Oct 14, 2009

LOL.. Our bi-monthly NPR Marketplace joke on the listeners....

Say what David!!!?

Two weeks ago it was - Its a Wonderful Life. You argued that Mr Potter had it right. Keep the working class down and all will be better… a common theme of yours.

Four weeks ago it was... Trickle down economics didn't work this time... Right... Let's do more of it...

And six weeks ago it was ... Patient heal thyself!

So now you are arguing that the Immigrants and Teachers did it!

Please!

David... let me ask you a question... "What Planet are you on??" Cause you invented interplanetary travel ... because for sure! nothing of the sort is happening here on earth...

The reality is that China's and Europe's Universities are slightly ahead of those in the USA...

That doesn't mean our kids are dumb...

I'll come back to why this is impotant...

Let's look at our kids first...

96% of American students want to do well in school....

88% want to go to college

70% participate in community work or volunteer

90% of our kids use the Internet REGULARLY... Think about it... . Nearly every teenager I know has a cell phone with a keyboard... and THEY KNOW HOW TO USE IT... Hell... Most can type faster than the fastest secretary in our office...

28% access of them access foreign news services and post corrects to CNN and FOX....

94% use the Internet for their homework... My grandson does... He's 8... and goes to one of the poorest performing schools in George.... HE CAN USE THE INTERNET THOUGH... occasionally he helps me find things for my work on the Internet.... and I was in on the invention...

24% have their own Web Page...

16% own shares of stock....

And .. here's the interesting part... Our teens account for $400 Billion of our economy...

Most understand we are in trouble times and are doing their best to help....

and ... the only numbers you offered.. 1/3 in college.... 2/3 rds hunting for jobs………. is...

BACKWARDS...

70% are in college.... and in general our teenagers (nearly all of them) are right smart and skilled people….

Now does this sound like our kids don't have skills.... Nearly all do... and please don't blame our troubles on teachers... Teachers do an amazing job given the requirements placed on them...

Back to colleges outside the USA over taking USA Universities...

My point is that children who come here with the parents (the immigrants) are pretty darn smart... Yes there are trouble spots... I'm not saying there are no problems... For the most part though most of the legal immigrants are amazingly smart and American born children have to work like heck to keep up with them.

I am saying that ... In general... Immigrants ... and their children.... are pretty smart.... most are financially talented....

Your premise ... David... as usually .... Is completely off the mark..

So I ask again... What planet do you live on?

And NPR / Marketplace... Why do you give David air time??

I do like debunking David's theories though... hmmmmmm...

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Cathy Johnson - Oct 14, 2009

This phenomenon is not something new;it has been brewing for the past couple of decades. For the past seven years, I've been working with a program that provides housing to homeless families with children, and the parents we've seen are primarily undereducated, with very spotty work histories and no skills. The average parent is about 30 years old, with a 10th or 11th grade education. Some have completed a GED, but many have not not. Most of their woking lives have been spent in short-term jobs they've gotten through temporary employment agencies. Most have no benefits, and rely on Medicaid for health care coverage for themselves and their children. They get by through a network of public assistance, relying on family and friends, and social service agencies. They are a growing population of the chronically poor, slipping in and out of homelessness and unemployment. Many seem to have forged a level of comfort with the instability of their lives, and don't seem particularly concerned about making changes to provide a different kind of life for their children. Many that we see are the young adult children of parents who have also gone through our housing program. I keep looking for signs of hope, but I'm feeling more and more each day that most of these families' barriers are so massive that they will never be overcome. The agency with which I work is overwhelmed with families seeking housing, and our "emergency" program currently has a waiting list of 26 families with a 3-4 month wait to get into our 120 day housing program. They are waiting longer to get into our program than the program lasts once they are in it! It sure feels more like a depression than a recession from our perspective.