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Underwater, but still living the American Dream

Bernie and Joyce Murphy stand in the doorway of their townhouse in Stallings, N.C. home.

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Tess Vigeland: Bernie and Joyce Murphy are still convinced that they did everything right when they bought their home. And by all indications, they did. Four years ago, the couple, who have been married 41 years, moved from a small town in Ohio to Stallings, N.C., just outside Charlotte.

Bernie Murphy: Alrighty, we will get you some water here. You look like a country girl. Already, she looks like she fits right in.

Vigeland: I'll take that as a compliment.

Bernie: Oh please do!

The Southern hospitality started there in their lovely two-story town home and lasted through breakfast treats and several cups of coffee.

Bernie: Now we're very informal here, so what I'm gonna do is probably just set everything on the table. All right, let me see here, I'm gonna grind these up.

Bernie Murphy is 65 and retired. He spent two decades in state government in Ohio and another two before that working at a university. Joyce is 64 and works full time as an administrative assistant at a private school. They saved up, put 5 percent down on their $160,000 town home and got themselves a plain vanilla 30-year mortgage.

Bernie: Little did we know that within 24 months after we bought this place that this whole artificial bubble would explode.

A recent appraisal put the home's current value at $125,000. They owe $148,000. They are now underwater. And based on what's happening around their housing development, the worst may be yet to come.

We headed out for a walk around the neighborhood. A small creek runs through the tree-lined development, where model homes have names like "Riverbirch" and "Magnolia."

Bernie: This is the unit here that went for 50 cents on the dollar.

Vigeland: Just three doors down from you?

Bernie: Yeah!

Vigeland: Do you have any sense of how many of these homes might have been either foreclosure or...

Bernie: I know that one. I think this one up here is a foreclosure. Hi there!

Those homes are now pulling down the price of the Murphys'. What that means, they say, is that if they wanted to sell tomorrow -- even next year -- it's not likely they could. Not that they want to move any time soon. In fact, their plan was to stay in these 1,700 square feet for another decade or so before moving to a retirement community. But their planning for this move was so thorough that they even weighed whether to get a home with stairs.

Bernie: >Normally, people our age or my age wouldn't buy a two-story, because you never know when your knees are going to go or whatever, and you know, steps can kill you. I mean, steps can be hazardous. Our plan was hold onto it for 7-10 years, get rid of it. That is out the window now, 'cause I can't get my money back in 7-10.

But for all their frustration, they will not join the ranks of those who walk away from their underwater mortgages. Joyce Murphy -- who manages the family accounts -- says it doesn't make any sense to them.

Joyce Murphy: If you walk away, then what do you have? You would be in worse shape than if you just sit there and take it. You know, basically.

Vigeland: What are the thoughts that go through your head when you write that mortgage check?

Joyce: Well, I just try not to think about it.

But in many cases, the math argues that it doesn't make sense to stay in the house. Brent White teaches law at the University of Arizona. He says this is simple contract law. You either pay the mortgage or the bank takes the house. So underwater home owners should make what seems like a fairly simple financial decision.

Brent White: If they don't default on their mortgage, they're going to pour their disposable income into a toxic asset, not have money to retire, and perhaps not have money to put food on the table. On the other hand, if they default on their mortgage, they find that they let go of hundreds of thousands of dollars of bad debt and are able to get back on their feet and to recover.

Of course, it's rarely that simple. Emotional and psychological factors play into the decision to walk away -- just as much as financial ones. And a default can lead to a serious whack to your credit score. Fair Isaac, which provides the industry-standard FICO credit score, released a study this year showing that scores drop by an average of 100 points or more after a foreclosure.

The Murphys say being underwater does mean they've had to go to financial plans B and C. But they're quick to say others have it much worse than they do.

Bernie: God love 'em. the people who make the decision to walk away, they're suffering because that goes against everything that they have ever been taught. It goes against the entire national psyche.

Joyce: And the family that we saw walk away here, they were devastated.

Bernie: They were so embarrassed, they went in the middle of the night.

The Murphys can afford their monthly mortgage payment. But because they can no longer count on making money when they do sell the house, they're changing their lifestyle to save more for the future. They hang on to a hope that the market will recover someday. And for Joyce, it's also about loving where she lives.

Joyce: When you're writing that check, even though you know you're underwater, you know you're writing it for your home. It's still your home.

Technically, of course, it's not. The bank owns it in full when someone has no equity or negative equity. But that sentiment may be what allows home ownership to stay part of the American Dream. A shift away from the house-as-investment mentality that persisted during the bubble.

Bernie Murphy: We may have to live here for a long, long time. But you know what? I got the patio out there, I got that gas grill, and I'm just... if you can't get your hands around it, why sit and pull your hair out over it?


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About the author

Tess Vigeland is the host of Marketplace Money, where she takes a deep dive into why we do what we do with our money.
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talkeetna - Nov 16, 2011

My guess is that there is a wide spectrum of underwater mortgages in this country in terms of just how far underwater they are. Brent White seems to address only one extreme end of the spectrum when he paints the choices facing those who are underwater on their mortage: according to him they can either "...pour their disposable income into a toxic asset..." or "...let go of hundreds of thousands of dollars of bad debt..." This may be a reasonable analysis for a borrower who is, in fact, hundreds of thousands of dollars underwater, but in the case of the Murphys and a lot of other Americans who may be similarly underwater by 15% or so, I'm skeptical this is good advice. Looking purely at the numbers, at some point maybe it does tip financially in favor of walking away, but I find it hard to believe that the Murphys are at that tipping point. If they walk away, its true that they'll shed the $23 K of debt, but what financial impacts will result from the foreclosure process? Are the benefits worth the costs?

And practically speaking, if they want to buy another comparable home at today's lower prices (assuming they even could after going through foreclosure), they will have to find a new down payment -- probably 20% this time around instead of the original 5%. And this whole scenario is based on an appraisal value -- how accurate is an appraisal at predicting market value anyway? I'd be surprised if its more accurate than plus or minus 10%.

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jfitz - Nov 13, 2011

I questions Tess' comment "The bank owns [a house] in full when someone has no equity or negative equity." The owner of the house is the owner -- the bank has a lien against the house and property. As the owner, one is still responsible for the upkeep of the house and taxes. Only after foreclosure does the lienholder become the owner.

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truthdale O'hammeron - Nov 9, 2011

I believe that America Radio works conducted a more comprehensive radio documentary in May 2009 on the issue called "Foreclosure City" set in Las Vegas.

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/foreclosure/

Another radio documentary by America radio works, in May 2009 aired after "Foreclosure City", examines the American Dream and the documents how debt is tied into the coined phrase.

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/americandream/

In totality, both above listed podcasts gives more context into the whole economic situation, then what this Market Place Money special presumably offers.

[http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/11/08/mm-underwater-...