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Oil, dollars, denials

There's a lot of buzz about a British newspaper story that says other countries are plotting against the US with a plan to trade oil in currencies other than the dollar. So, is this the fall of Rome? Or much ado about nothing?

Well, first of all, despite appearances, the Independent doesn't tell us much we didn't already know. The story begins this way:

In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning - along with China, Russia, Japan and France - to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.

Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars.

It sounds ominous with a splash of international intrigue, but these countries have been talking about this for a while. That doesn't mean they will or can do it. From the Guardian:

David Buik, veteran City commentator, argued that moving oil trading away from the dollar would be "radical by any standards".

But, he said: "Let's be candid, it's not going to happen. Saudi Arabia is very dependent on the US for trade oil, defence and there is no way Saudi will stab the US in the back by pulling support away."

Reuters points out other problems:

Unless Gulf nations are prepared to remove restrictions on the free trade of their crude oil exports -- allowing them to become benchmarks for the rest of the world, as some analysts have argued would be useful -- it will be difficult for them to influence the basis currency for global oil.

Although commodity exchanges in both Japan and China offer local currency-based oil futures, they are ultimately linked back to regional benchmarks denominated in U.S. dollars.

The fact that China's yuan and many Gulf currencies are not fully convertible is also a significant obstacle to any effort to replace the dollar in global commodity pricing.

But perhaps the will power is there. Let's go back to the Independent:

"These plans will change the face of international financial transactions," one Chinese banker said. "America and Britain must be very worried. You will know how worried by the thunder of denials this news will generate."

The denials are pouring in. Denial number one, from Bloomberg:

Saudi Arabia hasn't held talks with China and other countries on dropping the dollar as the currency for pricing oil, Saudi Central Bank Governor Muhammad al-Jasser said, denying a report in the U.K.'s Independent newspaper.

The Independent report is "absolutely incorrect" and there has been "absolutely nothing" of that nature discussed between Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, and other countries...

Denials two and three, from The Guardian:

...Russian finance minister Dmitry Pankin and a Kuwaiti oil minister both denied discussing a move away from the dollar.

But is the Chinese banker correct that a thunder of denials means the US has something to worry about? And if so, how much of a fight will it put up?

The guy who wrote the Independent's piece, Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk, was interviewed on our Marketplace Morning Report today:

Host Bill Radke: Can America really fight this move or is this inevitable?

Fisk: I think it's inevitable. So many countries have been talking about it. So many countries have been complaining constantly, and sometimes with great frustration and irritation at the way in which the Americans control the financial system. And I think there's a good deal of frustration, which is mixed up with the political feeling that so many countries are tired of being dominated, now there's only one superpower.

What's your prediction here?

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Ned D.'s picture
Ned D. - Oct 7, 2009

Taking the dollar out of oil will result in a massive decrease in demand for the dollar. Every day people all over the world have to buy dollars to buy oil.

Reduce demand for something and it's value will fall. So, the value of a dollar will definitely fall if people no longer need as many of them to buy oil.

How much it will fall or how bad it will be is anyone's guess.

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Jo - Oct 7, 2009

Gold can be the currency of choice. China is hoarding it. Wake up, folks.

Ned D.'s picture
Ned D. - Oct 7, 2009

The only problem with that is that there is not enough gold to make all the currency we need.

If the value of gold were to rise sufficiently and we used every ounce of gold to make currency, then we'd probably all be carrying around $1000 gold coins that were the size of tic tacs.

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Jeff - Oct 6, 2009

I can't see how U.S. monetary policy has much effect on the price of North Sea crude in a London Exchange, regardless of the currency it's denominated in. There are far too many other factors that go into currency exchange rates for U.S. actions directed specifically at oil prices to not have major, unwanted side effects on other aspects of dollar flows in other areas. If our regulators are actually trying to play this game, they've shown time and time again that they're incompetent at it.

I can't see how having a lot of currencies to purchase oil with benefits anyone except arbitrageurs who will buy Yuan-denominated oil on one market and flip it into dollars in another market, or vice versa. The more currencies, the merrier. The poor people who actually have to burn it and the richer people who have to find the right market to sell their production are the losers here. If I were a Saudi Prince I'd be opposed to the idea.

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Tom Shillock - Oct 6, 2009

A good conspiracy theory appeals like any good story. The price of oil is not the only price that's rising. Compare prices in, say, Home Depot or Lowes vs. two years ago. Having prices denominated in USD lends considerable control over one's economy, a form of economic soverignty. Would you rather buy, say, gasoline in Renminbi?

For those who love conspiracies review the Clinton regime's refusal to regulate derivatives trading even after Brooksly Born (CFTC head under Clinton) told him that sans regulation it could cause a financial collapse. Or how about Greenspan's and Bernanke's keeping rates too low for too long despite huge foreign capital inflows. Or how about Obama's symbolic fiscal stimulus package as opposed to largesse on behalf of too big to fail financial institutions, which will in part be paid for by higher FDIC rates at smaller banks.

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Michael - Oct 7, 2009

My opinion is that Fisk is, once again, lying. Inserting a comment from an anonymous "Chinese banker" to hedge against the obviously forthcoming denials is profoundly disingenuous. How transparent can all of this be?

Fisk is a noted anti-American writing in a paper that published two other similar pieces on the same day, and which - like much of the British press - revels in anything that speaks gloom for anything related to America. Why on earth would anyone trust him?

Beyond that, the presmise is nonsensical. If oil was a major driver of demand for dollars, this could be worrisome. But it's not. If global daily oil consumption (assuming it was all sold in dollars, just for the sake of argument) was priced in something other than dollars, it still wouldn't matter. You're talking about 6 or 7 billion dollars in dollar transactions each day for oil versus 2.5 TRILLION dollars EACH DAY in other foreign exchange dollar transactions.

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Scott Jagow - Oct 7, 2009

Michael, I've read several people who take the same view on Fisk. That comment from the Chinese banker was strange.

Ciara's picture
Ciara - Oct 6, 2009

I think I'm being a bit stupid about this, but what would really be the problem if petroleum was traded in, say, yuan?

Is U.S. control over a specific global financial system a good thing, or is it an economic burden?

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Scott Jagow - Oct 6, 2009

Ciara, it's a good question, and it depends on who you ask. Some say in the long run, it'll be healthier for the US to not have that burden, that oil artificially props up the dollar and keeps us dependent on foreign oil. On the other hand, the rate at which we are printing money does not help the US here. The value of the dollar could plummet, and our cost of living would skyrocket.

You might read this speech by Ron Paul to Congress in 2006: http://tinyurl.com/2vcoqf

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Ciara - Oct 8, 2009

An interesting read- reminds me a little of Noam Chomsky. Thanks for the link and info, Scott!

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