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Debt is the devil

If there's one thing I've learned in my financial life, it's that I hate debt. I used to find debt annoying, you know, like getting a ticket for rolling through a stop sign or stepping on a piece of gum. But that wasn't good enough.

I've been thinking about debt during this whole financial crisis because to me, the frantic push to reopen the credit markets is a solution for people who only find debt annoying. Let's just get the credit flowing again, and we'll worry about the rest later. For me, that's like someone who destroyed their marriage saying, just forgive me and everything will be fine.

Debt is on my mind today for two reasons. One is Stacey Vanek Smith's series on Marketplace. She spent some time in Sioux Falls, SD, the town that credit built. A lot of credit card companies are based there. Today, she looks at what's happened in Sioux Falls since Americans laden with debt can't pay their cards off.

Plus, our Public Insight journalists are asking about debt on their blog, the Trading Floor. Their question of the day is: What are your top three debt regrets?

I hate debt because I've been in it, and I can't stand the feeling. In a Marketplace Money story a few years ago, I said it was like being underwater.

That story was a personal one. I was $10,000 in debt at the time, and I was asking whether I should cash out some of my 401-K to bail myself out. The financial expert who advised me said absolutely not, and she listed several excellent reasons why. I took her advice and kept plugging along, which is how the radio story ends. But later on, despite cutting costs, with the interest mounting and a tight salary, I wound up further in debt. I finally caved. I sliced off a portion of my retirement money and paid it all off.

It was one of the best decisions I've ever made. I just couldn't handle the stress. I honestly didn't think I would live to retirement with that hanging over me all the time. But in exchange for taking the "easy" way out, I had to learn to hate debt and vow never to get in it again. I haven't, and I won't.

I'm mainly talking about credit card debt, but I'm cautious of all debt now. Sometimes, you have to take a chance if you want something bad enough -- starting a business, going to med school, buying a house, etc. There's an expectation of reward that will allow you to pay it back. It's still a gamble. I just wish, as a country, we would think more carefully about the consequences of living on credit. Maybe we will now?

Since I can laugh about it, here are my top three debt regrets:

  1. I just told you that story.
  2. I bought a house in what I thought to be an up-and-coming neighborhood. I wasn't counting on making money. I bought it because it was a nice house and I could afford it. But I was hoping there might be a small profit down the road. Shortly after I signed the papers, the city council decided to turn a nearby road into a freeway.
    Enough said.
  3. Right out of college, the radio station I worked for bought me a car. Well, they made the payments for me to supplement my paltry $15,000 salary. I decided to tack on a few goodies to the car, like a sunroof, and pay for those myself. A year later, I left the job to go into TV. My new job paid $13,000, and now I had the full car payment, including all the tricks. I remember Friday nights when I would choose between renting a movie and eating dinner. Fun times.

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WT Economist - Mar 30, 2009

I have always believed that debt was the devil. Or, rather, debt for short term consumption is the devil. Debt for investment in something that is certain to produce income or reduce expenses in the long run is OK.

My wife and I have never run a credit card balance, borrowed only to buy a house and for college and paid it off as soon as possible, have no AC, no cable, and one 12-year-old car (I bike to work) despite having two good incomes. We set out to be semi-independently wealthy -- able to get buy on one income. We never spent more than that.

So what has that gotten us?

When our kids were young, before they entered school, we were each able to work part time and spend time with them, an opportunity one cannot get back. We've been able to save, and give money to charity, when we both worked full time. We could end up spending more than the debtors, because we earn interest before buying with cash rather than pay interest after buying on credit. We've been able to do the jobs we wanted rather than those that paid the most. And we don't have to feel that the wolf is at the door, facing disaster if either one of us gets sick or loses a job.

Our culture has become completely given over to "I want for me now" values, in people's individual lives and community institutions. It has been driven by advertisers. Moreover, one's material standard of living is a one-way ratchet -- when people upsize they soon take the added consumption for granted, but when forced to downsize they acutely feel the loss. Adding to the goods and services one "needs," rather than making you happier, just adds to the risk that you'll end up miserable. Debt makes it a certainty, not a chance.

I'm glad I got some alternative information in my youth -- religion helps, as did growing up in the depressed 1970s -- and saw it coming. Hopefully, when there is no choice, people will realize what a bunch of worthless BS it all is.

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Juan Luna - Mar 26, 2009

Wonderful story Scott,
I am currently a college student or soon to be. I hope to go to my dream college but main avenue seems to be take out a loan. I have a job now and I am saving every bit I can. Your story will certainly push me to get every penny I can now and push even harder for scholarships and grants. I definitely think of debt as a burden and that is something a lot of people need to learn, especially after this crisis.

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Scott Jagow - Mar 27, 2009

Juan, I'm glad to hear that you're saving up as much as you can. You'll be glad in the long run. Even just cutting down the amount of the loan will help you more quickly reach the point where you feel secure about your finances and don't feel bad about enjoying life!

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Buddy Lee - Mar 30, 2009

I don't believe debt it the devil. I believe the people who make you go into debt by selling you a loan you don't need is the devil. I believe the people who look the other way when people are being robbed by banking industry are the devil.

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Don - Mar 27, 2009

Let's see...$25,000 on credit cards at 27% carries the same interest cost as $112,500 at 6%. In other words, screw up enough with a credit card and it will cost you as much as a modest house. And that ignores the mortgage interest deduction. Lucky for CitiGroup most Americans are too stupid to do basic math.

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Carleton - Mar 27, 2009

Like most addicts, we seem to be in denial. Unfortunately it also appears the government in taking on the role of an enabler. Easy credit is not the engine that runs our economy, it just makes the swings up and down go wider and faster.

I've borrowed for one car in my life. All others were paid for when I drove off the lot. Of course, I haven't owned many new cars, but those one or two year old vehicles have served me well. I hate debt so much that I have put off purchasing a home for years, waiting until I could afford what I wanted outright. Of course we all believe that to be strange, maybe crazy, but who doesn't believe we would be in much better shape as a country if our citizens and our government refused to spend money they did not have - particularly when there appears no viable means for them to repay it other than to push the burden onto others.

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Mary - Mar 30, 2009

Thanks for sharing your story, Scott:

I'm still not at a point where I can laugh about it, but I just wish to reassure people that even though it takes years, you can rebuild a credit rating. Like you, once you survive it, I will never look at a credit card the same again.

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Shawn - Mar 27, 2009

Scott, miss you on the radio.

As for debt, always good idea to avoid. Problem is, many people could never purchase a car, home, major appliance without going into debt.

The real issue is that wages/earning power is on the decline, and has been since the 1950s at least.

While the bankers, brokers, hedge managers are making huge salaries and bonuses the average american's buying power is way behind inflation.

I hate debt also, but for a middle class person, or family to achieve the "American Dream" debt is unavoidable.

Let us get real wages up and debt will not be the issue.

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Scott Jagow - Mar 27, 2009

Thanks, Shawn. Good point, too, about wages. One thing on the American Dream - people have to make choices, prioritize. You can't have everything if you don't have the means to pay for it all.

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Maria - Mar 26, 2009

I hope this crisis brings about a shift in the way we view debt. For many of my thirty-something friends, debt was simply a number they glanced at once in a while when they received a credit card statement. As long as I pay the minimum amount due each month, they thought, I can continue to shop, eat out, and travel as I want. They seemed to believe that they were entitled to have everything their little hearts desired. Reality has started to hit them recently. It is unfortunately that sometimes we have to learn the hard way.

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