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The future of USPS, delivered by UPS

A United Parcel Service (UPS) driver unloads packages from one truck to another Oct. 29, 2010 in Chicago, Ill.

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Jeremy Hobson: Well today is Veterans Day which means, among other things, the Post Office is closed. It's competitors -- FedEx and UPS -- are open.

You can't really blame the Postal Service. It's expected to announce next week that it lost $10 billion this year. Congress is trying to figure out what to do.

We thought we'd ask Scott Davis for his thoughts. He's the CEO of UPS and he joins us now from Atlanta. Good morning.

Scott Davis: Good morning, Jeremy.

Hobson: I want to first ask you about the U.S. Postal Service -- the financially troubled U.S. Postal Service. Should it be saved?

Davis: Well I think certainly we have a need for the U.S. Postal Service in this country; they have plenty of challenges today as we know. But our relationship with the postal service is unusual: we're both competitors, as you know, but we're also a customer and a vendor.

In some areas where the population is not too dense, we will use them for that last mile of delivery. At the same time, we do fly some of their packages around the country. We're customers of each other, as well as being competitors.

Hobson: What do you think can be done with them? Is there a solution to this other than just getting rid of service all over the place, raising prices?

Davis: Well the challenges, frankly, that they have is the universal service, and the cost to deliver letters in places like South Dakota and Alaska are far more than a 44 cent stamp. Some of those letters may cost you $50 to deliver in Alaska, and they get paid 44 cents.

Hobson: How's business for you right now at UPS?

Davis: It's solid right now. I think the economy, while not growing fast in the United States, is growing. It has stabilized some.

If you look at the last four to six weeks, Jeremy, we've seen improving economic signs, both in manufacturing and in retail sales. As we head to our peak season, you know, there's cautious optimism among our customers at this point in time.

Hobson: Cautious optimism. I mean, we do look at companies like UPS and FedEx as bellwethers of the economy. But frankly, even as you guys have seen an uptick in shipping in the last couple of years, jobs really haven't been growing very rapidly in the U.S.

Davis: That's been a problem. We're not growing the economy fast enough to reduce unemployment. I've been a pretty outspoken advocate on the need to grow exports out of this country.

Today, only 1 percent of small- and medium-sized enterprises export goods, and the fact is, 95 percent of consumers are outside the U.S. So we have to do a better job of growing exports if we're going to reduce unemployment.

Hobson: What are people going to be shipping in five or 10 years? Are letters even going to be shipped anymore, or is that all going to be electronic and it's just going to be stuff?

Davis: There'll still be some letters out there. I think if you asked this question, Jeremy, 10 years ago, we probably would have said, yeah there's going to be a lot less in 2011. The same thing goes with five and 10 years ahead from now -- you're going to see much less in the way of letters and documents being shipped; it'll be done more electronically. The beauty of our business, though, is that we ship off a lot of packages. They're not digital.

Hobson: Not yet anyway.

Davis: Not yet anyway. So unless they come up with some new technology, we'll be shipping packages for the foreseeable future.

Hobson: Scott Davis is the CEO of UPS. Thank you so much for talking with us.

Davis: Jeremy, it's been great. Thank you.

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Jay Ray - Nov 11, 2011

Can't disagree with the first four statements I read about the necessity of the Postal Service. However, in major urban areas, we could shift to every other day delivery using even/odd zip codes. It would reduce cost by about 40%. Employees could keep their jobs if we put a freeze on new hires for 3 or 4 years.

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Jean Potuchek - Nov 11, 2011

I think the point about rural delivery is an important one. I live at the end of a dirt road in a rural area, and the UPS drivers hate to deliver to my house because it slows them down too much. I guess I'm not far enough out for UPS to pay USPS to go the last mile; instead, the drivers often pretend that they couldn't find the address, or they leave the package at the first house on the road so that they don't have to come to the end. I sometimes pay extra to vendors to have my packages sent by USPS, because the post office always delivers.

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Msb Havn - Nov 11, 2011

The prefunding 75 years ahead within 10 years space of time for the USPS Retirement system was initiated by Congress in 2006. It costs the USPS $5 Billion a year. There's already a $6.9 Billion surplus in the fund. Failure of Marketplace to report this part of the story just plays into the privatization schemes. Because it's no coincidence that private companies are legally allowed to loot prefunded pension systems.

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Ron Wildt - Nov 11, 2011

Jeremy and Scott both do a tremendous injustice to the US Postal Service by not correctly identifying that Congress has saddled USPS with fully funding it's retiree's health care for 75 years...a truly unfair and union busting act. [Postal Accountability Enhancement Act (PAEA)passed in 2006] see article in Truth-Out.org:

http://www.truth-out.org/last-union/1315492298

While it's true that fewer letters are being mailed in the age of information technology, it's also true that we will always need physical delivery to everyone, everywhere. This is part of what government is for, to connect everyone in the nation, regardless of physical location or cost...same was was done with the rural electric coorperatives, to push electricity to everyone, regardless of cost or distance from the grid.

http://www.nreca.coop/Pages/default.aspx

We need the USPS and need to keep private interests out of our government (for the people, by the people) postal service.

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Eugene C - Nov 11, 2011

Isn't part of the problem the fact that companies like UPS have cherry picked all the high density markets? Even they admit they don't want to deliver to rural markets. Maybe it's time to put a tax on private carriers to pay for all of those "last mile" deliveries?