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The economy sucks, but that's expected

Brad DeLong, professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley

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Kai Ryssdal: By almost any measure the economic news is grim. Gross domestic product is shrinking. Unemployment is up. The stock markets are off 50 percent or more. Everything is going in the wrong direction. Unless, it's not. The president told us things would get worse before they got better. And commentator and economist Brad DeLong says anyone who's surprised by the turn of events really just hasn't been paying attention.


BRAD DELONG: Last October 4th, Kristin Winkler sent me an e-mail. Macroeconomic Associates was estimating then that pace of economic growth in the fourth quarter would be minus 2 percent per year. That we had shifted from a maybe-recession or an almost-recession or an America's-least-recessive recession into a serious recession. By December 6th, they were down to minus 6.6 percent. Four months ago we knew that we were in a serious recession, and we knew that things looked seriously bad.

Ever since then, every day has produced bad economic news on the front pages of the newspapers and on our TV screens. But this news is not news. This is stuff that we knew back last December 6th. We should be depressed now. We should be scared now. But we should not be any more depressed or scared now than we ought to have been four months ago. To become extra-terrified today because of what we read or see is like being surprised when our cake tastes like butter, sugar, flour, eggs and chocolate. You know what is coming when you mix up the ingredients and put them in the oven.

We knew this was coming last year. And we should have been preparing for it last year. The very last of the many failures of governance of the Bush administration was its failure to propose a stimulus package in October and to induce the Republicans in Congress to pass a stimulus package in November. That wasted three months that we really did not have to waste.

The expectation, the hope, is that the economy turns around and starts growing again in the second quarter. And the expectation, the hope, is that growth speeds up in the second half of this year.

Truly bad news would be if this expectation turns out to be wrong. We will have a pretty good idea of what the second half of the year will look like as of July. But until then, don't panic and start hoarding sewing needles and bottled water. And even then if things look bad, then the right reaction is it's time for the government to go for another round of stimulus to keep things from sinking further.

Kai Ryssdal: Brad DeLong is a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley.

Christoher Skyi's picture
Christoher Skyi - Mar 5, 2009

I think this is correct,that a case can be made to hold current budget policy responsible for the decline in the stock market.

Remember -- stock prices reflect future corporate earnings, and few outside government has any faith in the current Washington planning.

Worse, even the CBO is saying (again) the stimulus plan will make us worse off in the future, and that obviously discounts current stock prices -- it would be crazy if things like this didn't:

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10008/03-02-Macro_Effects_of_ARRA.pdf

I think many liberals have their heads in the sand about this, so enamored with Obama are they.

Case in point, Ron Chusid of the liberal values blog has refused to accept any negative comments, like this one, from me about Washington monetary and fiscal policy. Just trying to open the debate got me banned on "liberal values." Says a lot. Change indeed.

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Haven Thomas - Mar 4, 2009

Brad DeLong�s suggestion that there is no new news in the news but merely the playing out of trends we knew were underway months ago may be true in the way that the news that a man drowned in a river whose average depth was 1 inch is true. It isn�t that what he said was untrue, but that what is omitted and left unsaid may be more important. DeLong�s observations that we have had advanced notice that things were bad and on their way to getting worse are true but incomplete. [He could just as easily have pointed to other periods. For example, from the summer of 2007 when the financial crisis became widely recognized to the Bear Stearns collapse in March, 2008, or the period between March and early Sep, 2008 when the stock market traded within a trading range even though there was increasing evidence of a growing financial crisis.] The major thing left out is context. Context includes not only what is known but also the way it is interpreted and what we think it means. For example, historical context involves not only the unfolding of historical events but also the way people living in a particularly historical situation understood what was happening and the way they responded to that understanding. A particularly important aspect of context is the expectation people have about where things are going. For example, in 2007 and 2008 both the Treasury and the Federal Reserve were way behind the curve in recognizing and responding to the financial tsunami bearing down on the U.S. and world economies. They were slow to acknowledge and slow to act around the intertwined deterioration in the residential housing market and the growing problems in the financial system. Consequently, the messages they delivered and the interpretations they offered the public were misleading rather than clarifying. Whether this reflects a critical misunderstanding of what was happening or a deliberate miscommunication in an attempt to keep public sentiment and consumer confidence more upbeat, the effect was to create expectations at odds with what was actually happening. The mismatching of expectations and realizations produces reactions, not unlike the seismic shifts of earthquakes. They provide sharp corrections and reorientations. By late 2008, we had already gone through enormous disillusionment. The TARP program, which supposedly was going to save our financial system, was presented as a costly but absolutely necessary remedy. Significantly, it was a rush job with no testimony before Congressional committees besides Fed Chairman Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Paulson. The situation was not unlike The Story of Chicken Little where an acorn falls on Chicken Little�s head, but the story was interpreted as �the sky is falling� and further elaborated into a policy response: �we should go and tell the king�. The understanding of the TARP program, which was initially accepted as bitter medicine that had to be taken to cure the financial crisis, but later came to be seen as a wasteful squandering of money and time in a misdirected and largely ineffective program, changed significantly and resentment toward it grew significantly. Like an unfolding crime scene, the facts of TARP didn�t change, but the discovery and disillusionment that occurred as they were discovered and reinterpreted had a major impact. One of the casualties of growing disillusionment around TARP may have been the Bush administration�s failure to propose and support an economic stimulus program, which Brad Delong mentioned. Another may have been the TARP program itself, since it pretty much went into hibernation half way through its $700 billion budget. Both of these are examples of the huge political failures: the failure to acknowledge the severity of the economic crisis and the inadequacy of the steps taken to address it, particularly going into elections. As more bad news accumulated, the context around that news began to shift from �the government and the Fed have things under control� to �these guys can�t be trusted to address the crisis�. Taken together, they contributed to a climate of disillusionment. Though some may have held out hope that a new Obama administration would have a fresh start and could better address the growing financial and economic problems, the shift in context toward greater disillusionment contributed to a situation in which news would be interpreted more skeptically and pessimistically. After the elections, the news flow became more negative or more realistic. The context of understanding shifted toward realization that we were in a severe financial crisis that was compounding a snowballing recession. Significantly, the comparisons used by the financial media to describe the economic contraction changed. From the worst recession since the early 1980�s, to the worst recession of the postwar period, to the worst since the Great Depression, these shifts in reference marked shifts in context that changed how people were interpreting the news and how they were changing their expectations about where things may be headed. The post-election disillusionment can be measured by the dramatic decline in the stock market. From Nov 4 to the November 20 low, there was a 25.2% decline in the S&P 500. Since that represents about 46% of the total market decline from Oct 97, it is fair to ask what did the market learn in that two week period that made it worth 25% less? What it learned was not that there was a continuing deterioration of serious financial and housing crises both of which were spilling over into a worsening recession � that we already knew. What it learned was a major disillusionment around the handling of those crises. While the unfolding economic news was generally worse than expected � a reflection of the slowness of analysts gradually revising their expectations from optimistic and hopeful to pessimistic and fearful, the bigger news has been major political disillusionment. Another marker of that sea change was Timothy Geithner�s Feb 9 release of the Treasury Department�s Financial Rescue plan. Though in one sense it did not present major new news, the impact of Geithner�s �no news� speech on the financial markets was enormous. Why? Because it disappointed hopes that Geithner would present a long-awaited solution to the financial crisis and multiplied political disillusionment. The reaction to a significant change in context can be huge because it changes not only the way news is interpreted going forward but also the way history is viewed retrospectively. The Geithner speech undermined historical expectations that the new Treasury Department would mark a significant improvement from the acknowledged failures of the Paulson Treasury. So the reaction to the news is magnified by having to undo and replace earlier more optimistic expectations with a more grim view of where we are and where we are headed.

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Erich Kuerschner - Mar 4, 2009

Interesting that Tom Neale feels HIS credentials as an employee (does it matter if this is as file clerk or chief forecaster?)of a small equity firm is to be preferred one that vets his assumptions and relationships in describing how one HAS seen an economy as working among others devoting their lives to studying such problems.

Socialism has never worked in Europe????? I was born in Germany, half a century AFTER Bismark enacted SS.
The US is the ONLY industrialized country w/o socialized medicine and it is severely harming the small business you purport to be knowledgeable about. And re Keynes? Do you mean "Keynesian economics" or the economics of Keynes? Or do you even know the difference?

Or the difference between a public good and a private good? How about EVIDENCE on your conclusions re tax cuts, rather that your opinion?

Peddle your ignorance elsewhere.

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Joe Ruby - Mar 4, 2009

Delong makes the obvious point that a big ship takes a long time to turn. We didn't start trying to turn the ship until late February, so we shouldn't be surprised that it isn't turning in early March. If it's not turning by July, then we should be concerned.

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Andrew Gamblin - Mar 3, 2009

Do you guys even bother to vet your commentaries? How about a disclaimer or truth in advertising on Brad DeLong? Preface it with "A former Clinton era official with an ax to grind on the Republican Party, who has never held a job in the private sector and spent his life in academia to avoid the real world." Let's stop the blame game, there's enough of it to go around.

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Tom Neale - Mar 3, 2009

Unlike Professor Long, I hold a job in the private sector. I work for a private equity firm that invests in small, family held businesses. I can assure you that the economy does not need to raise taxes in middle class workers and business owners who make $200-500,000/year. If Obama has assured us he would EXTEND the 2010 tax cuts, while also extending unemployment benefits for a year to ease the transition, the market would have steadied and gone up vs. it's 3,000 point drop since he took office in January. Socialism never worked in Europe, and it won't here. Wake up Professor. John Maynard Keynes was debunked 3+ decades ago. Buy a new textbook!