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Advertisers eye spendy DINK couples
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Kai Ryssdal: The economy has started getting better. We got that much from the gross domestic product report this past Friday morning. GDP's not shrinking as fast as it used to. Still, it's going to be a while before a lot of consumers start feeling really good about things and start spending again. I'm thinking here about consumers who, like me, have kids to help burn through a paycheck. But there is a huge chunk of the population without kids, and many of them have been experiencing the recession in a very different way. Advertisers call them DINKs, double income, no kids. Marketplace's Jeremy Hobson reports.
JEREMY HOBSON: If you want to get an idea how DINKs spend their money during a recession, where do you go? Maybe Times Square?
They've got all kinds of people there and all kinds of pricey diversions. Yvonne and Rick Yu are visiting from Toronto. They have no kids, and they're spending like it's, well, 2007.
RICK YU: Oh, I think we're just still young, so we can just kinda do whatever we want to do right now and be free to see whatever we want to see.
Same story for Rebecca Lopez and her boyfriend. She says she wouldn't have flown from Spain to take in New York's tourist attractions if she had kids.
REBECCA LOPEZ: We are free. We are not married, but we are a couple for years, but we don't have kids, and it change everything.
It sure does, according to Wes Combs of the marketing firm Witeck-Combs Communications.
WES COMBS: To raise a child today, at a minimum, from birth to 18 before college is between $100,000 and $200,000 per child. That's a lot of money that an individual without children can spend on themselves.
Combs says one of the best ways to get an idea what DINKs are doing is to look at gays and lesbians. Sure some gay couples have kids, but there are still plenty that don't.
COMBS: They're more confident about what's going on right now and what they're seeing, and there's also some additional evidence to show that they're spending more when they go out, specifically with travel.
Combs conducted a survey recently that found 62 percent of gays planned to maintain or increase their travel budgets this year. To find out for myself, I hopped on a bus to the gay Mecca of Provincetown, Mass.
BARKER: Looking for hungry people! Bayside Betsy's has lots of food and it ain't gonna eat itself!
It's just after noon on a hot sunny day. On P-town's main strip, Commercial Street, the barkers are out. And so are the spenders. Like partners Larry Walsh and John Buchan from Peoria, Ill.
LARRY Walsh: We're doing our stimulus package for P-town.
Hobson: And what are you doing today?
Walsh: Today, we're going shopping again. We're shopping today, and then we're going to the pool later on, and then we're going out to dinner.
If you're looking for a place to stay the night in Provincetown, good luck. No vacancy signs are more prevalent than the for-lease signs on the store fronts back in New York. Howard Weiner runs a guest house called Howards End.
Hobson: How many rooms are vacant right now?
HOWARD Weiner: Ummm...none.
Hobson: Totally full.
Weiner: Yeah.
Now, Weiner says business is still off about 20 percent off from last year. But not among couples, both gay and straight, without kids.
WEINER: They're spending pretty much the same thing. Of course, gays will spend more on drinks, on liquor and at the clubs, than straight couples will. That is definitely for sure.
If there's one place where the money in P-town drains like the tide, it's the Boatslip. Patrons sip down $10 drinks before an evening of entertainment.
Mark Sam Rosenthal's trying to lure an audience for his one-man drag show, Blanche Survives Katrina in a FEMA Trailer Named Desire. I asked him if the crowds have been indicative of the greatest recession since the Great Depression.
MARK SAM ROSENTHAL: No, but I wasn't here for that one. I'm not that old! I mean, I hear that it's worse than last summer, but I don't see the greatest, whatever you said.
Neither do companies that are taking advantage of the DINKs, whether they're gay or straight. Again, here's marketing consultant Wes Combs.
COMBS: They understand this unique element that this segment, while other parts of the economy are going down, is more likely to spend right now. So they're making sure that they target those dollars, the limited dollars that they have for advertising, at a minimum, on this market.
Combs says those dollars will be well spent, because so far DINKs are behaving as though this recession has been dinky.
In Provincetown, Mass., I'm Jeremy Hobson for Marketplace.
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Jeremy Hobson is host of Marketplace Morning Report, where he looks at business news from a global perspective to prepare listeners for the day ahead. Follow Jeremy on Twitter @jeremyhobsonPages
This article is very opinionated and with very ignorant points.
True there is a "loud minority" that has great jobs and no kids, but the majority of society works jobs that, even though they have no kids, cant afford much more then staying at home. In fact, only something like 1 or 2 percent of north america makes more then 30K a year. so really the "norm" is actualy very poor and cannot afford a whole. For every office with 10 workers, there are 1000 manufacture/labour/service/factory workers. Thats the reality.
People do not have kids because they realise that they cant afford kids even with "dual" income. And besides, dont we already have an issue with overpopulation? If you research enough you find out that the government only wanted the Baby boomer to have more tax payers. And then you look into taxes and realise that paying taxes on wages is actualy against the constitution. We were suppose to pay taxes only during the World War... but hey... now you get arrested when you dont pay taxes and if you ask to see the law that says: "that you have to pay labour bases taxes". They refuse to show it to you.
people are so blind...
While the term DINK is commonly used to describe Dual Income No Kids couples, many of us prefer the term THINKER (Two Healthy Incomes, No Kids, Early Retirement).
Jerry Steinberg
Founding Non-Father Emeritus of NO KIDDING!
The international social club for childless and childfree couples and singles
www.nokidding.net; info@nokidding.net
I was pleased that at last some attention has been paid to DINKS after all these stories about people bemoaning their financial problems when they have unwisely just started or added to their families in a time of great financial and employment uncertainty. I wish, however you had not portrayed us as somewhat selfish, spendthrift dillitantes. Let's hear about those whose DINK status has allowed them to make meaningful contributions to society or stay off the welfare rolls.
I know it's more fun to report on the frivolous excesses of privileged white males who like to be seen in "hot' venues like Provincetown, but a truly balanced story would look at the majority of DINKs who live closer to reality. the reality is nowhere near as exotic but interesting in its own way. And this reportage ignores the great number of DINKs who work in low-paying jobs that fail to produce enough to do much but stay home and get on with simple living. This is probably most typical of lesbian couples, but not exclusively. I was disappointed with this bit of fluff and hope that somebody will do some actual journalism on the topic soon.
Lots of gay childless couples are watching their pennies very carefully, forgoing the vacations and clubbing they might have indulged in a few years ago. We are not immune from the recession or the skyrocketing cost of healthcare, energy, property taxes, insurance, etc. Let's face it, the standard of living for the entire U.S. middle class -- gay, straight or whatever -- is on the decline.
This story was interesting but fluffy. Some actual statistics on the spending patterns of the DINK demographic would certainly help back up the 'man in the street' interviews. Especially since the conclusion - that DINKs spend more in a recessionary economy - just does not jibe with my own experience of my peer group (over 30, married, and childless by choice.) If you define having and spending on children as 'non-discretionary', then by definition childless couples have a greater percentage of 'discretionary income' in the short term. However, we also have greater expectations to meet for planning for our own elder care (without the 'safety net' of children), and for caring for aging extended family, and thus have been hit just as hard by reduction in real income, home prices, retirement savings, etc. In my opinion, this story was geared more towards a young, technically single (dating) demographic, which tends to prioritize finding, impressing, and keeping a life partner over any other financial goals. :-)
In my own experience, I find my peers with children are spending much more during the recession than my married DINK peers as the 'pressure' to spend is greater. From what I hear, a family vacation can be downsized, but it 'can't be cancelled or it will disappoint the kids' whereas my husband and I can immediately canceled such discretionary expenses when it becomes prudent (not that we personally did any discretionary travel to begin with.) Perhaps we are in a self-selecting peer group that blinds me to the larger picture, but my impression is that DINKs tend to be on the fiscally conservative side by nature; the same long-term outlook that led them to think long and hard about the impact on themselves and on the future before procreating also shows up in the tendency to delay gratification in spending, avoid credit risks, and live well below their means. I admit this is anecdotal evidence… but no more so than what was presented in this story.
Jeremy Hobson's report on the DINK (Dual Income, No Kids) lifestyle earned points by bucking one stereotype... he was good enough to note that some gay and lesbian couples DO have kids. But the data supporting his report unfortunately propped up another stereotype: that LGBT couples have more disposable income than the general population. This urban legend has been around for years in part because it relies on income data from SELF-IDENTIFIED gay and lesbian people... data that's helpful for queer magazines in charging high ad rates, but can't claim to describe all gay Americans. Sure, people "out" enough to self-identify likely do have good jobs and healthy incomes, but the closeted lesbian farm couple in Kansas or the gay truck driver who know his job would be at risk if he came out... these less affluent gays' incomes aren't being factored in. Just be careful in generalizing!
"Social security is predicated on the model that the working generation pays for the benefits of the retired generation. Well, the DINK's are screwing up the system, so they need to get busy making kids or have their FICA tax doubled/tripled/quadrupled. No free rides you moochers." Excuse Me! My income help taxes pay for your children's school. I do not receive a procreation subsidy on my yearly income tax. I as watch my co-workers are giving extra time off to attend their children's special events. I've been paying into a social security system that will be broke long before I ever see a dime. These are just a few of the ways DINKs are subsidizing your Breeder lifestyle. Who's mooching off who? Maybe we need to rethink an economic system completely dependent on unsustainable growth.
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