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Biz model for domain names to change

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Kai Ryssdal: Ever wonder why the address for the photo-sharing website Flickr doesn't have an E in it? It's because -- and this is a true story -- the founder liked the name "flicker" -- E, R -- but couldn't negotiate the rights to it. The guy who had it wouldn't sell. So, she improvised and came up with the next best thing. Cyber-squatting, as it's known, has led to a whole spate of oddly-spelled company names and web addresses.

But Cash Peters found out the practice of hoarding available domain names may soon become a broken business model.


Cash Peters: Choosing a domain name is such a drag. No matter what name you think of, it's already taken.

David Sarno's the tech reporter for the L.A. Times.

David Sarno: If you wanted to go start a beer company, say, forget trying to get Beer.com. Somebody probably got that 20 years ago. And then you'd try every combination of "beer" that you can think of and all those combinations are taken, too. So what you're left with is people trying to figure out a nonsense word that nobody has the rights to, and naming their company after that.

Precisely. I hope you're listening, Grrrrrrrrrr.com. A lot of times the domain isn't even in use. Some greedy opportunist is just sitting on it, waiting for you to buy it from him at an inflated price. It's sneaky and outrageous. Or, to put it another way, capitalism. Because a good domain name is vital part of your brand, though, this is a real problem.

As it happens, I keep branding expert John Tantillo right here on speed dial.

John Tantillo: It's gotta be easy to pronounce, it should be distinctive, it should be able to be translated into a different language. And it should be trademark-able.

He's right -- like IKEA.com or AOL.com. Don't go calling yourself something nobody can spell, like Wachovia for instance, or Husqvarna. Also, if you can't get your first choice, John says, be prepared to compromise.

Tantillo: You might not get the dot-com name, but you might get the dot-biz name.

Peters: Yeah, but it's so uncool. Nobody wants something dot-biz.

Tantillo: Coolness is relative and it's temporal. You can't worry about coolness, what you've got to worry about is marketing!

Actually, in his case, I'd be more worried about having a stroke. So OK, I have an idea: Why doesn't someone got off their backside and fix this? Ya know, just thinking out loud. Well, thankfully they're about to. Seems there are two ways to do it. Number one, replace this elaborate code we call a domain name with a simple search, like speed dial. David Sarno.

Sarno: I don't know any of my best friends' phone numbers. That era is gone where you had to remember phone numbers. Now, you just pick out your phone and click on their name. So, it should be a similar thing with businesses and entities of all kinds, where all I have to do is remember your name, and I've searched for your name online and it takes me to your website.

But there's a second way to fix this mess: Extend the number of top level domain names -- from your basic dot-coms and dot-orgs -- by adding tons more.

Doug Brent is COO of ICANN, the Internet... Corporation of... Anyway, they oversee domain names.

Doug Brent: In the physical world, when you have beach-front real estate, there just is that limit. There's going to be competition for the beach. It doesn't have to be that way in domain names.

Over the next year -- perhaps longer, but maybe in that time frame -- basically, anyone could apply for a top-level domain name. So instead of dot-com, it can be dot-my-brand or dot-my-community, like the dot-Inuit community. Or perhaps dot-Facebook. The feeling that all the good names are taken doesn't have to be true anymore.

Great. But uh-oh, wait. If you add these new names, what happens to all those greedy opportunists who basically registered the entire thesaurus to make a fast buck? I do hope they'll be OK and don't lose all their money.

Tantillo and Peters laughing

I don't know why that's funny, it just is. But really, they're in for a shock.

Sarno: You're going to have a whole lot of people who have paid a whole lot of money for codes that don't mean anything anymore. And it's going to be replaced, and everybody that paid money for a piece of that system is going to be out of luck.

Oh, darn. In short, the whole system's about to become freer and simpler. In the meantime, though, I guess you grab any name you can. Shame that Grrrrrrrrr.com is taken, really.

Tantillo: As Frank Sinatra used to say, "That's life."

In LAcity.org, I'm CashPeters.com for Marketplace.org.

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Ed Muller's picture
Ed Muller - Jun 23, 2010

All the "cool" real estate in Florida has been taken by so called opportunists. They demand ridiculous amounts of money for a 100x100 plot on the beach.

But soon there will be a thousands places just like Florida after Global Warming comes and wipes out their stinky real estate. Soon Maine will be the new Florida!

How is the above analogy any different from what you're written here? Can't help but notice you got yourself a .com as well. Do you think you would get 1/1000th of that traffic on a .biz or a .cash or .moneyblogstorycool TLD?

Sure extensions and apps are great, but while phone numbers are personal contacts that you save, the way you search and the way you remember the internet will remain the same for at least 10 years. So I wouldn't expect it all to come crashing down in seconds. Kind of a bogus story you've scribed here.

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Michael Neal - Jun 14, 2010

Extensions come and go BUT, the best is and always will be .com ( at least in our lifetimes ).

I have been investing in domains for 10 years now and find your pretty much " complete " lack of real understanding somewhat funny.

Even investors have domains they want and are not able to get for one reason or another.

In my " offline " life and business, I was fortunate enough to understand early how important branding online would be in the future ( now ), which led me to purchase domain after domain in an effort to advertise my services in a way that was unique and inexpensive.

My competition continued to place ads in phone books and news papers and guess what ? I now own their/our respective markets by a staggering degree.

Why should I be subject to penalty ( financial loss ) because I was open minded and made good decisions. They had every chance to do the same exact thing BUT, they failed to act.

Life is made up of those who do, such as myself and many other proactive domainers, and those who talk about what to do as if they truly understood what they spoke of........you guess who they might be !

Continued success to all willing to actually do something,
Michael

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Keyser Söze - Jun 12, 2010

@ Cash Peters: Choosing a domain name is such a drag. No matter what name you think of, it's already taken.**

I have the perfect solution .. All domain names should be RESERVED for ever until the perfect registrant comes along to claim their domain name no matter how many Years that may take for them to come forward or even grow up to be old enough to register the domain name that they may want at some time in the future. In the mean time cancel all domain name registrations and sales until ICCANNOT decides who is eligible for what domain name. But keep on paying ICCANNOT because they need the funds to up-keep their life styles and infrequent World junkets.

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David Green - Jun 9, 2010

Part of the problem with the domain complaints is the fact so many companies are unwilling to spend money buying already registered domains to protect their valuable brands.

A more or less perfect example is how the Dallas Cowboys reps made a bid of only $275 for Cowboys.com at an auction at the time other bids were in that general area of 200k but strangely misunderstood the auction price level, somehow thinking a bid of just $275 would buy that great domain.

There is a TV show about the World;s Dumbest and the Dallas Cowboys reps at the domain auction (who I later heard were attorneys) should definitely be on that show.

That world's dumbest appearance would include the upper management where for just 275k (which should be insignificant to an assumed billion dollar plus business) they later cancelled their absurd $275 bid.

This incredible true story about some of the dumbest people on the planet is very hard to believe but did happen as outlined a few years ago.

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Cash Peters (no... - Jun 8, 2010

Hi there. My name is Cash Peters too, and I would like to own cashpeters.com as well. Where fo I file a complaint?

I should have every right to that domain name too right? I know there are other TLDs out there, but I don't want them, I want the dotCOM

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IDN Business - Jun 5, 2010

We all know that almost all really great domain names were registered by 2000.

At present the new internet revolution is taking place in languages other than English. Non-English internet usage is growing by leaps and bounds and surpassed English usage in 2008. There is still an opportunity for investors to register great names in foreign languages. IDNs or International Domain Names have the brightest future on the internet. Some generic keyword domains are still available for registration for under 10 dollars. These domains will be used much more than English domains during the next 100 years. Think about it, you buy a generic IDN in Arabic or Chinese, and you can develop it and make money. That website in a foreign language will provide for your kids and your grandkids, and someday one of them may decide to sell it for an extremely high return. The beach front property still exists in most countries in the world -- and it's much more stable than the stock market. For 2010 my advice is either buy gold or buy IDNs. Check out my blog http://www.idnbusiness.com for more information.

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Charles Carreon - Jun 3, 2010

Methinks the domainers do protest too much. Agreed the story was a half-cup of half-truths, and .com will continue to be the place to be, but my independent research shows a substantial retrenchment in speculative registrations, due to the sharp drop in the value of domain parking over the last three or four years. Nothing changes faster than market models powered by cutting-edge technology, and the search engines really are devoted to taking the bread out of domainers' mouths by making the keywords that are incorporated into domains less relevant than the content that is hosted on the page. Furthermore, the search engines reflect legitimate consumer desire to be lead not to a clickfarm, but rather to a site redolent with relevant meaning. For those who want to feed hooks and deliver nothing but more hooks and call that a service, when your business model collapses, I, personally, will stand and applaud.

Charles Carreon's picture
Charles Carreon - Jun 3, 2010

Methinks the domainers do protest too much. Agreed the story was a half-cup of half-truths, and .com will continue to be the place to be, but my independent research shows a substantial retrenchment in speculative registrations, due to the sharp drop in the value of domain parking over the last three or four years. Nothing changes faster than market models powered by cutting-edge technology, and the search engines really are devoted to taking the bread out of domainers' mouths by making the keywords that are incorporated into domains less relevant than the content that is hosted on the page. Furthermore, the search engines reflect legitimate consumer desire to be lead not to a clickfarm, but rather to a site redolent with relevant meaning. For those who want to feed hooks and deliver nothing but more hooks and call that a service, when your business model collapses, I, personally, will stand and applaud.

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mike smith - Jun 3, 2010

Hi all,

I am from Australia and haven't heard of Crash Pedders before. I am now thinking of emigrating to the U.S. as it seems you do not have to be educated to be a journalist - if crash can get a job and even have his own piece of internet real estate then surely anyone can.
p.s. to the editor - my resume is in the mail, it may seem very familiar, like the one Crash sent you, nothing in it, but sent it anyway.

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T Wood - Jun 3, 2010

I look around and absolutely see no world crumbling down around me. I can speak for most domain investors and tell you that instead, we are laughing all the way to the bank. Why? Because generic domain names work. They work for companies. They work for advertising. They work for new age media and people who embrace what online technology can offer.

You, on the other hand, expect everyone to think like you and because you have never seen the traffic numbers or success stories or know the ways our industry works you (and this stupid article) spread ignorant statements.

But hey, no problem. We still laugh all the way to the bank.

By the way, next time you buy yourself a beer, why don't you call up the beer company and harass them for making a profit Or because they brewed their beer first. That pub, make sure you chastise them for choosing the location before others, when others wanted it. And finally, try to buy the pub from the owners for $200 and then complain that they didn't register the business name for any more than that.

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