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Steve Chiotakis: ExxonMobil overtook Wal-Mart for the top spot on the Fortune 500. The magazine released its big list yesterday. It hasn't been a banner year with earnings dropping 85 percent. As a matter of fact, Fortune says it's the worst year ever for the list, and that dates back more than five decades.
Fortune's Allan Sloan joins us now to talk about the revenue plunge. Allan, what's the most interesting number you see in there?
Allan Sloan: $4.1 trillion.
Chiotakis: Why is that so interesting?
Sloan: Well, it's interesting to me 'cause that's how much the stocks in the 500 were selling for this year as opposed to what they sold for a year ago. So you're down $4.1 trillion, which even these days is a lot of money.
Chiotakis: So how did we go, Allan, then, to seeing the stock market as this safe haven to, "My God, I'm not touching that."
Sloan: Well, this has to do with -- you'll forgive me -- age, Steve, but there was a huge bull market from the summer of 1982 through the spring of 2000, and stocks were turned 20 percent a year. This idea got in the land that it was really easy to save for your own retirement by just buying an index fund or send your kids to private college because the stock market would provide. And for seven years after that market ended, that fantasy was still there, but now I think it's gone.
Chiotakis: So here we are out of fantasy land Allan. What have we learned, then, from the crash?
Sloan: Well I'll tell you what I've learned, and I hope other people have learned it as well, which is that you cannot trust the stock market to take care of you. You have to take care of you. In two years, the stock market -- again, as measured by the Fortune 500 -- was down 43 percent. I mean, these are stunning numbers, and they ought to tell you that nothing goes up forever and that you cannot trust your fate to the stock market, because as the old story: you may love your stocks, but your stocks don't love you.
Chiotakis: But nothing will stay down forever either, Allan, right?
Sloan: That's true. But given how many people are -- you'll forgive me again -- my age, who had saved all of their lives, were getting ready to retire -- which is not the case with me, 'cause I'll never retire, 'cause my wife will shoot me if I do. But all these boomers who are close to 65 or 66, suddenly they're a lot less wealthy than they thought they were. And heaven help us all, they're going to rely on Social Security.
Chiotakis: Fortune Magazine's Allan Sloan. Allan, thank you.
Sloan: My pleasure, Steve.